What is my options when doing anything to the engine on a standard 944 with auto.. i want a brainstorming here

Thanx

Lars
944 -83 GP White

 

I also was wondering the same. Come spring i want to do some mods but i wanted to know where to start. where are all you guys at.

 

you could put a better air box on it, but that may be minimal, you can also chip it if it's above a 1985.5, I'd also install a weltmeister throttle response cam, you won't gain HP, but better response from the gas and it's noticeable...

 

You could add JE pistons, turbo valve springs, an adjustable fuel pressure regulator, aluminum flywheel. Those should give you the performance you need for the engine anyway. I hope this helps if you need more ideas email me.

 

thanks guys

Lars

 

YOu can make great power from the NA, but its the old "how fa$t do you want to go"?

Our race car ran last season and never lost to a turbo. In a TCRA race, we were able to pull a turbo RX7, and a SC'd RX with NOS down the straights at willow springs.

We are doing some serious headwork right now, and should hit the track with quite a bit more this race season.

We build quite a mean 2.8, high compression motor. Its an all bore type, using rollsroyce chromoly sleeves, JE pistons, crank work, and headwork. Its a 200hp at the tires motor, but its there when you hit the pedal. And its simple enough to run hard all day long.

Our 3.1 liter is the same block with the addition of a 3.0 liter crank. This is the motor we run, its very strong, a brute.

Take Care!

 

Just a question, what parts do i need to rebuild a 2.5 n/a to a 2.5 trbo? I am just wondering, i know it would be expensive but just wonder how expensive (norway!!!)
And John, if you have time could you send me an detailed description of the parts you use and the work you do, because it may be hard to do it at your place as i am in Norway

My email is guttleif@myrealbox.com

Regards

Lars
944 -83 GPWhite (the pre monster hehe...)

 

Lars,

Sorry about the delay. I have not checked this forum in a few days/weeks :-)

I'll email you the info and details of the build and parts needed.

Take Care

 

How to upgrade a standard 944 seems to be a neverending question.
I'M SURE, there's no solution for this except selling it and getting a 951. This is the cheapest way by far. Of course, if you don't know where to put your money, you can try to build something from the standard 944, but you never get it as cheap as 951 and you'll never get the RELIABILITY. For example, you should make quite heavy modifications to get an extra 20 hp to 944, but you wouldn't even feel it. And of course, it's not only the engine - standard 944 gearbox is Audi inside and that's where the trouble starts - sometimes even with the standard 163 hp. Although 944 brakes are OK, they are not comparable to 951 brakes.
Cheapest solution for standard 944 might be nitro, although we've never tried one.
What we have done is that we have put 944S2 and 968 engines together with 944S/S2 gearboxes to old 944's, but at the end it still costs more than a 951.

Lars, as of geographical reasons, you can contact my brother Oliver@carmus.ee for Porsche performance questions. Also you can check <a href="http://www.carmus.ee/944968.html" target="_blank">www.carmus.ee/944968.html</a> for 944 with 968 engine.

James Herne
Tallinn, Estonia

 

Try a V-8 conversion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Chevy V8 on a Porsche is most phathetic thing anyone can do on a Porsche. If you do not have money, drive a Chevy, don't try to look better than you can afford. If you don't have money, keep it that way and drive a regular 944, don't ruin it. If you have money, buy a real thing, a 951.
Over and out.

 

I dont feel that there is anything wrong with updating to a LT1/LS1. The engine in the 944 is pretty underpowered and is over 20 year old technology. I would personally prefer a 951 engine, but a chevy V8 is pretty cool

 

James,

This has been covered many times...the "sell your 944 and buy a 951" solution. It sounds simple as pie, but tear it down...lets look at the pros and cons.

First, 951 people poor a ton of money into "go fast" mods, 944 people poor their money into the car overall, so as a result...a lot of these 944's are VERY clean cars, and the owners take a lot of pride in keeping them as near perfect as possible. So, with that said, you want him to put the car on the market. How much would you pay for a NA 944 in super clean condition...its easy to say you would pay 6-9k on this web board..but if you were serious, there would be shopping, nit picking, price comparing..looking for the best deal..so it is most likely that a very clean 944 NA would sell for something between 3-5 in MOST cases, not all but most...and remember this guy wants to go fast..so he has a time limit he needs to follow...hell, he has not even begun searching for his 951 yet.

NOw, he has his 4500.00 in hard cash burning a hole thru his pocket..he's on the loose looking for that dream car 951. First thing he will notice is the fact that any 951 that comes even close to being in the shape his 944 was is selling for about 9-10k..sure he could settle for a less clean example...but why? after all, its you yourself that said he could save money if he just sold his 944 and bought a 951...so putting more money on top of the cash he paid for the car is not really his first choice...so he bites the bullet and buys the real clean 951 for 9300.00

So, lets look at the trade...he had a 944 that he most likely sank some cash into getting it just the way it should be...say he bought the 944 for 3300.00 then put another 7K into wheels, seat re wraps, dash board, exhaust, windshield, suspension, throttle cam (yes, most have bought these)stereo, labor etc etc etc...

so his 944 set him back 10,300.00 bucks. He sold it for 4500.00. net loss...5800.00

He buys a 951 for 9300.00. Out of pocket cash for the car is 4800.00.

This transaction cost him 10600.00 for a 951.

Time spent bumming rides to work while searching for his 951..who knows. But it sucks for sure.

For 6000.00 he could have bought a NA motor that would spank a chipped 951 all day long. Saving him 4K in the long run.

The point is, these guys love the cars they have, and simply selling it and buying a 951 is not always the best way to go. Do we need to even get into the issues of the turbo system and dollars spent on keeping them up??? I think its best left alone..:-)

Our little 84 NA has not been beat buy a 951 on the track to this day..we seem to loose to the 3.6/3.8 guys in the 911s...but we are fixing that.

Take Care!

 

I have to agree with John Anderson. I have a 931 and it's cost me $15K CAD in motor and gearbox work - a lot mind you. The normally aspirated car in any of these Porsche is the more reliable car - generally the better investment.

I have a friend with a 944 and he's done some great work to that car. He's had it 8 years now.

V8 conversion - fine if you can do it yourself and maintain it yourself. Else, $8K and no mechanic will know what to do with it.

 

John, I wish I would have read that before I sold my 87 NA. Do you have info on mods to the S2 engine available? I can't do anything real soon but I'd be interested in seeing what you can do with it. By this I mean, don't go out of your way and waste your time telling me every detail, because it will be about a year and a half until I would be able to take advantage of this, but my curiosity has taken control. Thanks
-Ethan