Good bye 911 (after 30 year non stop), hello Panamera !
03-30-2018, 11:12 PM
#286
Burning Brakes
After a 2'500 miles tour about two months ago, ..just back from another 3'200 miles tour.
California, Arizona, Nevada, and "parking" in the beautiful South of Utah.
A good starting point in California :
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I love this photo, ..in the Hight Desert" : (You need the mirror to see how to ride the desert in comfort !)
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In Utah, an incredible road : Bicentennial highway :
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And, when many people told us that we are crazy, it will be way too warm, ..here is what's up, when you go "too far up" !!!
(For sure, all of that, with Pirelli PZero, the tires that loves summer times.)
I just felt like home, in Switzerland going in the Mountain. Long time ago, I had two BMW 7, and in the winter, when the car felt that two flakes of snow landed on ground 3'000 feet higher than where we were, ..it was starting already to spin ! (With the time, I became extremely good at putting the chains on !!). With a Panamera 4, snow, sand, dirt, feel all as good and solid as asphalt.
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Quite far from Los Angeles, ..with love
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In Utah, they should have some pretty good Dremel !
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A funny one, "Hidden Panamera" :
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..Sometimes, it is just a question of shape :
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Well, on the asphalt, in the dirt, or in the snow, ..so happy aboard a Panamera 4S
I still do not know about any better Grand Tourrer than this car.
But, I want to sell it, (see above), as I want to get a 2015 or 16 Turbo, ..to match the the power of our CTT !
California, Arizona, Nevada, and "parking" in the beautiful South of Utah.
A good starting point in California :
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I love this photo, ..in the Hight Desert" : (You need the mirror to see how to ride the desert in comfort !)
Attachment 1191868
In Utah, an incredible road : Bicentennial highway :
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And, when many people told us that we are crazy, it will be way too warm, ..here is what's up, when you go "too far up" !!!
(For sure, all of that, with Pirelli PZero, the tires that loves summer times.)
I just felt like home, in Switzerland going in the Mountain. Long time ago, I had two BMW 7, and in the winter, when the car felt that two flakes of snow landed on ground 3'000 feet higher than where we were, ..it was starting already to spin ! (With the time, I became extremely good at putting the chains on !!). With a Panamera 4, snow, sand, dirt, feel all as good and solid as asphalt.
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Quite far from Los Angeles, ..with love
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In Utah, they should have some pretty good Dremel !
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A funny one, "Hidden Panamera" :
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..Sometimes, it is just a question of shape :
Attachment 1191877
Well, on the asphalt, in the dirt, or in the snow, ..so happy aboard a Panamera 4S
I still do not know about any better Grand Tourrer than this car.
But, I want to sell it, (see above), as I want to get a 2015 or 16 Turbo, ..to match the the power of our CTT !
07-13-2018, 12:24 AM
#288
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Well, after about 65,000 miles (more than 100,000 kms), good bye, farewell Panamera 4S, this was the best car we ever had !
(Car sold yesterday !)
Next : I do not know, will think about, may be another/last V8 (no choice, with a Turbo this time) , ..before this will be an extinct machine !
Thanks to all of you for all the views here in this more than five year great experience.
(Car sold yesterday !)
Next : I do not know, will think about, may be another/last V8 (no choice, with a Turbo this time) , ..before this will be an extinct machine !
Thanks to all of you for all the views here in this more than five year great experience.
07-14-2018, 05:16 AM
#290
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..I think I got a lot of "these" !
Yes, i may get a turbo, if i find one with the options Im looking for !
..but will NOT get a V6 !
(No need to try a turbo, since some years we also have a CTT !)
These days, driving my Boxster, ..that normally is used on tracks !
I think I have to remove slicks out of one of the sets, ..to not use Nitto NT01 on open roads ! Street legal, but noisy and not comfy
Yes, i may get a turbo, if i find one with the options Im looking for !
..but will NOT get a V6 !
(No need to try a turbo, since some years we also have a CTT !)
These days, driving my Boxster, ..that normally is used on tracks !
I think I have to remove slicks out of one of the sets, ..to not use Nitto NT01 on open roads ! Street legal, but noisy and not comfy
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07-30-2018, 03:32 PM
#291
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No more Panamera, but, still love to do "Grand Tours".
This time, being in the East Coast about 10 days ago, rented a car (reserved a Mercedes Class E, ..but got a Cad XTS awd !!), I just did a 4,400 miles crossing the USA ride in 10 days with this "XTS".
Well, while the Cad XTS was good and comfy, I must say that it is VERY-VERY far away for the Panamera as a touring "tool".
This time, being in the East Coast about 10 days ago, rented a car (reserved a Mercedes Class E, ..but got a Cad XTS awd !!), I just did a 4,400 miles crossing the USA ride in 10 days with this "XTS".
Well, while the Cad XTS was good and comfy, I must say that it is VERY-VERY far away for the Panamera as a touring "tool".
08-07-2018, 12:46 AM
#294
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I can understand you very well, nothing beats a manual transmission.
This difference is simple : shifting when **you** want, not when the computer of the car want.
(These computers are programmed to give the lowest emissions, simply to reduce taxes to the manufacturer. ..And people still think that the "Diesel Gate" is only a VW story !)
This difference is simple : shifting when **you** want, not when the computer of the car want.
(These computers are programmed to give the lowest emissions, simply to reduce taxes to the manufacturer. ..And people still think that the "Diesel Gate" is only a VW story !)
08-12-2018, 02:42 PM
#296
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Hello Everybody,
Long time !
It is true that I let this topic a bit on the side, ..as I was real p..off to have lost all the picture thanks to the change of policies of PhotoBucket, where I had these picture uploaded !
And, as you know, for some recent post, I can re-upload these somewhere else, ..but for the old post, we, at Rennlist cannot edit the old posts, so, no way to change and makes these photos being back !
Do I'm the only one in such a case ?
Should I "worry" and try to re-upload these photos, ..or simply give up ?
Frankly, I do not know. I would be happy to read what you think. Finally, this topic was about an "old" Panamera model, may be there is no interest anymore to read about it today.
Would be happy to read from you before anything else !
PS: I still have this car, ..but want to change it against a Turbo one, ..but NOT a 2017 !
I want to stick with a car that do NOT have what I call the "new gen glass buttons", ..that I frankly hate.
(It makes me think about these new restaurants, where you have to order via "glass button screens", and then, even worse, to eat with that dam screen in the fornt of you, ..showing advertisings !)
May be after 64,340 views, (many thanks to all of you) we are coming close to the end, ..like an old 16 bit machine, that is able to address a max of 65'535 slots of memory !
Long time !
It is true that I let this topic a bit on the side, ..as I was real p..off to have lost all the picture thanks to the change of policies of PhotoBucket, where I had these picture uploaded !
And, as you know, for some recent post, I can re-upload these somewhere else, ..but for the old post, we, at Rennlist cannot edit the old posts, so, no way to change and makes these photos being back !
Do I'm the only one in such a case ?
Should I "worry" and try to re-upload these photos, ..or simply give up ?
Frankly, I do not know. I would be happy to read what you think. Finally, this topic was about an "old" Panamera model, may be there is no interest anymore to read about it today.
Would be happy to read from you before anything else !
PS: I still have this car, ..but want to change it against a Turbo one, ..but NOT a 2017 !
I want to stick with a car that do NOT have what I call the "new gen glass buttons", ..that I frankly hate.
(It makes me think about these new restaurants, where you have to order via "glass button screens", and then, even worse, to eat with that dam screen in the fornt of you, ..showing advertisings !)
May be after 64,340 views, (many thanks to all of you) we are coming close to the end, ..like an old 16 bit machine, that is able to address a max of 65'535 slots of memory !
(I use my own company, after asked the development team to add an easy way to post photos into forums.)
And then, I heard recently that the Photobucket CEO that took the crazy decision (another ransom tentative, that we can also call it here with the nickname "dieselgate' !) ..has been fired, and his replacement took the decision to revert that change in the term of use.
..The result for this thread is that all the old photos uploaded using Photobucket did suddenly re-appeared !
I do not know if some of you are still looking at the early part of this thread, but, at least now, ..it is back to "photos complete" !
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08-12-2018, 02:57 PM
#297
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Funny : no more Panamera, and this days, I'm asking myself this exact SAME question today (?back to 911 with 7 manual gears?)
..As a close friend of mine has one of the last normally aspirated 911, with no miles on it, and want to do his lease return !
I want to check if 'this" car would be "grand tour' compatible for us, ..or not !
One thing is clear for us, a CTT, is definitively "NOT" a grand tour "machine", the suspension is way to much stiffer !
(Ou first Cayenne, of the early generation, an S, Tit Edit that was fully loaded, with air suspension WAS for us fully "grand tour compatible", as the air suspension was a LOT more comfy than the one of the later models, that are real stiff.)
(I would say that our CTT is almost as stiff as my track/fun Boxster S, that has PSS9 set to low and stiff !)
..As a close friend of mine has one of the last normally aspirated 911, with no miles on it, and want to do his lease return !
I want to check if 'this" car would be "grand tour' compatible for us, ..or not !
One thing is clear for us, a CTT, is definitively "NOT" a grand tour "machine", the suspension is way to much stiffer !
(Ou first Cayenne, of the early generation, an S, Tit Edit that was fully loaded, with air suspension WAS for us fully "grand tour compatible", as the air suspension was a LOT more comfy than the one of the later models, that are real stiff.)
(I would say that our CTT is almost as stiff as my track/fun Boxster S, that has PSS9 set to low and stiff !)
08-15-2018, 07:27 PM
#298
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Well, after 3 days of modern 911 and a very attractive offer for a "no miles" 2014 manual cab, I decided to pass !
The comfort and the space of the Panamera was not balanced by the 7 speed manual of a 911. No way back for me !
The comfort and the space of the Panamera was not balanced by the 7 speed manual of a 911. No way back for me !
08-16-2018, 04:09 PM
#299
GVA- SFO,
I understand how you feel about the space and comfort of the Panamera.It is really a great car. I would add, that it is a very rewarding performance car relatively speaking for such a large sedan , IMO. I have a 2015 Panamera 4, and although not as capable as the Turbo of course, I find it a very satisfying driving experience. I do however have the benefit of owning a 997.2 GTS 6MT as well , so I get my naturally aspirated 911 6 speed manual fix when I feel the need for it. Back to the Panamera, I recently contemplated a possible purchase of an 18 P4 , however, after a couple of test drives and getting back in my 2015 P4 each time, I couldn't get past the feel and smooth pull of my 2015 970 V6 vs. the 2018 Turbocharged V6 . The new turbo motor felt too artificial and immediate for my taste. I missed the strong linear pull of the NA motor enough to pass on going for the newer car. Aside from that , I am not a fan of the high gloss and touch screen dash of the 18. Makes the car feel further disconnected to me. Anyway, NA vs. Turbo is purely a matter of preference . I just continue to enjoy the NA cars while they last.. The new cars are definitely the latest and greatest and more powerful ,etc. The new Turbo Panamera is obviously a monster !! Best of luck and enjoy either way that you go.
I understand how you feel about the space and comfort of the Panamera.It is really a great car. I would add, that it is a very rewarding performance car relatively speaking for such a large sedan , IMO. I have a 2015 Panamera 4, and although not as capable as the Turbo of course, I find it a very satisfying driving experience. I do however have the benefit of owning a 997.2 GTS 6MT as well , so I get my naturally aspirated 911 6 speed manual fix when I feel the need for it. Back to the Panamera, I recently contemplated a possible purchase of an 18 P4 , however, after a couple of test drives and getting back in my 2015 P4 each time, I couldn't get past the feel and smooth pull of my 2015 970 V6 vs. the 2018 Turbocharged V6 . The new turbo motor felt too artificial and immediate for my taste. I missed the strong linear pull of the NA motor enough to pass on going for the newer car. Aside from that , I am not a fan of the high gloss and touch screen dash of the 18. Makes the car feel further disconnected to me. Anyway, NA vs. Turbo is purely a matter of preference . I just continue to enjoy the NA cars while they last.. The new cars are definitely the latest and greatest and more powerful ,etc. The new Turbo Panamera is obviously a monster !! Best of luck and enjoy either way that you go.
08-16-2018, 06:44 PM
#300
Burning Brakes
GVA- SFO,
I understand how you feel about the space and comfort of the Panamera.It is really a great car. I would add, that it is a very rewarding performance car relatively speaking for such a large sedan , IMO. I have a 2015 Panamera 4, and although not as capable as the Turbo of course, I find it a very satisfying driving experience. I do however have the benefit of owning a 997.2 GTS 6MT as well , so I get my naturally aspirated 911 6 speed manual fix when I feel the need for it. Back to the Panamera, I recently contemplated a possible purchase of an 18 P4 , however, after a couple of test drives and getting back in my 2015 P4 each time, I couldn't get past the feel and smooth pull of my 2015 970 V6 vs. the 2018 Turbocharged V6 . The new turbo motor felt too artificial and immediate for my taste. I missed the strong linear pull of the NA motor enough to pass on going for the newer car. Aside from that , I am not a fan of the high gloss and touch screen dash of the 18. Makes the car feel further disconnected to me. Anyway, NA vs. Turbo is purely a matter of preference . I just continue to enjoy the NA cars while they last.. The new cars are definitely the latest and greatest and more powerful ,etc. The new Turbo Panamera is obviously a monster !! Best of luck and enjoy either way that you go.
I understand how you feel about the space and comfort of the Panamera.It is really a great car. I would add, that it is a very rewarding performance car relatively speaking for such a large sedan , IMO. I have a 2015 Panamera 4, and although not as capable as the Turbo of course, I find it a very satisfying driving experience. I do however have the benefit of owning a 997.2 GTS 6MT as well , so I get my naturally aspirated 911 6 speed manual fix when I feel the need for it. Back to the Panamera, I recently contemplated a possible purchase of an 18 P4 , however, after a couple of test drives and getting back in my 2015 P4 each time, I couldn't get past the feel and smooth pull of my 2015 970 V6 vs. the 2018 Turbocharged V6 . The new turbo motor felt too artificial and immediate for my taste. I missed the strong linear pull of the NA motor enough to pass on going for the newer car. Aside from that , I am not a fan of the high gloss and touch screen dash of the 18. Makes the car feel further disconnected to me. Anyway, NA vs. Turbo is purely a matter of preference . I just continue to enjoy the NA cars while they last.. The new cars are definitely the latest and greatest and more powerful ,etc. The new Turbo Panamera is obviously a monster !! Best of luck and enjoy either way that you go.