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Old May 15, 2024 | 12:06 AM
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Default EPA Cert (USA) for 2025 4s E-Hybrid?

I heard from another user that the 2025 models may not be certified until November? Can anyone confirm/deny?

FWIW I searched EPA’s database and found they’ve consistently certified the 4s E-Hybrid models by June of the preceding year. Take the 2023 model for example, certified in June 2022:

https://dis.epa.gov/otaqpub/display_...d=55999&flag=1

Fingers crossed that holds up? My delivery date is supposedly July 26. I heard I can’t drive it off the lot until the EPA cert is done…?
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Talked to my sales guy today. He said they aren’t aware of any issue and Porsche has always historically accounted for this process in their delivery estimates. Sounds like a false alarm to me.

I dug more into the EPA database and see that Porsche typically gets its 4S E-Hybrid models approved within ~10 days of their application submission.

https://dis.epa.gov/otaqpub/publist1.jsp?page=1

On this page, do the following search, then compare the dates of application documents vs certificate of conformity.



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Old May 18, 2024 | 10:42 PM
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I've been researching online quite a bit too but didn't find any clue. I talked to my salesperson again today. He said he heard that from his manager and he can't find any other source either. I figured I can't do **** about it even if it's not gonna get approved in time. I'll just stop worrying and hope for my car will be there on the date.
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I received a notice that the certification process is not yet completed and my October 2024 delivery was pushed back until mid-January 2025. Worth the wait!
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Old Jul 17, 2024 | 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jkpolla
I received a notice that the certification process is not yet completed and my October 2024 delivery was pushed back until mid-January 2025. Worth the wait!
What’s your estimated manufacturing completion date? They pushed me July 8 to Aug 8 last week. I also have my delivery pushed to mid Jan, and understand from my SA this is a worst case placeholder. So hopefully no later than that?

When they originally gave me a July *delivery* date I planned an 2500-mile October roadtrip. So I’m still holding hope the dates pull back in. Otherwise it’ll be another 5 years before I can arrange such an outing!
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Old Jul 17, 2024 | 11:20 PM
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My manufacturing completion estimate is 4 Sep. I’m sure it’s possible that the final delivery dates could move left from these estimates, but I won’t plan any roadtrips just in case . Hope it works out for you!
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Old Aug 1, 2024 | 09:42 PM
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Charlotte, NC, Hendrick Porsche
Ordered April 2
Build Complete June 24
Original delivery date August 15
"On the way to the German Port" July 4
New expected delivery date January 17 to January 21.
"Waiting for Certification."
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Old Sep 11, 2024 | 11:00 PM
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Received notice today that my build is complete at the factory and my schedule now shows the delivery date back in November (from the delayed Jan date)! Hopefully this means the certification issue is resolved.
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Old Sep 12, 2024 | 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by jkpolla
Received notice today that my build is complete at the factory and my schedule now shows the delivery date back in November (from the delayed Jan date)! Hopefully this means the certification issue is resolved.
Yeah mine recently completed its build, too and the Jan 2025 arrival date moved to Nov 2024. Not to be a downer, but a couple days later the arrival date pushed out to Feb 2025 then back to Jan 2025 lol…

The EPA cert still isn’t published so still seems like a wild card. Lots more discussion on this happening here btw: https://rennlist.com/forums/panamera...l#post19442175
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Mine has been built since 9-17-24 and every week the delivery to German port gets pushed back, delivery date to me has gone from Oct, to Jan, back to early Nov and then now back to mid Dec…. It’s a mess


QUOTE=Chris09;19551888]What’s your estimated manufacturing completion date? They pushed me July 8 to Aug 8 last week. I also have my delivery pushed to mid Jan, and understand from my SA this is a worst case placeholder. So hopefully no later than that?

When they originally gave me a July *delivery* date I planned an 2500-mile October roadtrip. So I’m still holding hope the dates pull back in. Otherwise it’ll be another 5 years before I can arrange such an outing![/QUOTE]
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Old Oct 9, 2024 | 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by myan
Mine has been built since 9-17-24 and every week the delivery to German port gets pushed back, delivery date to me has gone from Oct, to Jan, back to early Nov and then now back to mid Dec…. It’s a mess


QUOTE=Chris09;19551888]What’s your estimated manufacturing completion date? They pushed me July 8 to Aug 8 last week. I also have my delivery pushed to mid Jan, and understand from my SA this is a worst case placeholder. So hopefully no later than that?

When they originally gave me a July *delivery* date I planned an 2500-mile October roadtrip. So I’m still holding hope the dates pull back in. Otherwise it’ll be another 5 years before I can arrange such an outing!
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Yeah, my delivery date has pulled in to Dec 3 (previously Jan/Feb’25, originally Jul’24). Still on its way to the port after being built early September. Port arrival pushes out one week every week (currently slated for arrival tomorrow, ha).

The only EPA certs issued publicly so far are for the 2025 ICE variant (Panamera and Panamera 4). So likely they don’t want to ship until they know it can be imported …

You can check EPA certs by going to the EPA document index system and searching for model year = 2025, manufacturer = Porsche, vehicle model = Panamera.


https://dis.epa.gov/otaqpub/pubsearch.jsp?pubmodule=1

Granted, the database I’ve found has a ~6-week lag in updating (e.g. early July approvals didn’t show up online intil late August). So we can hope the certs pushed through recently and that’s why dates pulled in from Jan/Feb’25. But that’s just speculation on my part.

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Old Oct 31, 2024 | 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul dB
Charlotte, NC, Hendrick Porsche
Ordered April 2
Build Complete June 24
Original delivery date August 15
"On the way to the German Port" July 4
New expected delivery date January 17 to January 21.
"Waiting for Certification."
Did your car arrive at port today? If you’re in NC, I presume your port is in Baltimore (Sparrows Point, specifically). The first vessel carrying 2025 Panamera E-Hybrids (including mine) left on the “Lake Taupo” vessel (link to tracker) earlier this month and just finished its first stop in Baltimore today. It’s now headed to TX with my car in tow.

I am curious because, if your car is at the port, you may be the leading indicator when the car gets released by customs - telling us that EPA certs are approved. It’s still not updated in EPA’s database.

Note: you can find out which vessel your car is on by following the instructions in this post: https://rennlist.com/forums/992-gt3-...l#post19026545
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Mine is at the port...i have a 4 e-hybrid...not 4s...got a screenshot from SA and it shows awaiting CARB/Fed Cert. SA says he will keep me updated but there's no information even on that site that you sent @chris09. I see ICE panamera certs back in July of this year. How is this even possible for 2025 models?? Beyond frustrating. I may walk away from this car and look into a different car.

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Old Nov 16, 2024 | 04:08 PM
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My 2025 Panamera 4 e-hybrid is on the ship headed to a Jacksonville and the SA said the cert is approved this past week. Projected mid December delivery…fingers crossed!
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Originally Posted by jkpolla
My 2025 Panamera 4 e-hybrid is on the ship headed to a Jacksonville and the SA said the cert is approved this past week. Projected mid December delivery…fingers crossed!
Let's hope that's the case because I have a screenshot saying that the cert is not there from my SA.
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