I have posted on here before and am thinking about buying a panamera again. I currently have a Tesla Model S plaid and am toying the idea with buying a panamera. It is mainly for better handling, build quality, stability on the highway, and road noise. Which panamera trim level is the most reliable? I feel like going from a Tesla plaid to a panamera is going to feel slow no matter what haha.

I think the plaid is honestly a really good car. The best part about it is the maintenance is so much better. I do not have to worry about any fluid leaks or changing out all these different fluids like engine oil, differential fluid, or transmission fluid. Also not having a transmission makes the car amazing. No gears to change. It just makes the drivetrain overall so much better.

My main question is which panamera model is the most reliable? If I buy I would plan on owning it long term. Do you guys think I should just keep the Tesla and maybe get an older 911 for weekend drives?

The other car I am considering is a Mercedes S63. I really appreciate the build and craftmanship of these cars (panamera, S63). I also think these cars may increase in value in the future as V8 engine fades away.

 

I think "reliable" is a term that means different things to different people, so that is a difficult question to ask.

Porsches are good cars, they are generally trouble free but when they do have issues it's expensive. You do have to do the maintenance on them as prescribed.
Around where I live I see a lot more Tesla's on flatbeds vs. Porsches. Like often enough that I am surprised.

If you have a Model S Plaid then you can afford to own a Porsche for sure, so go for it. Maintenance may be less convenient vs a relatively maintenance free electric car, but it sounds like you have already considered that.

 

I reny traded in my S560 2020 model for a new Panamera after 10,000 miles on the Mercedes.that Mercedes was a disaster waiting to happen. I had too many warranty repairs and I bought the extended warranty but most were cleverly not covered of course by the extended warranty, like the two plastic coolant overflow tanks had their nipples melt / weird.

In my opinion Mercedes has terrible quality control. I have had a number of Porsches and have owned four in the last five years and no issues. What is annoying is that the dealer repairs are silly expensive. Stuff like $600 for an oil change.

 

I think this is interesting, and not a straight forward answer. Everything you say you want in a new car "...better handling, build quality, stability on the highway, and road noise." make it a simple, sure, dump the Tesla, they are junk in comparison to top of the line German GT cars in all those areas. Next, the interesting one, is you are looking for something long term... EV's are worthless once the battery reaches it's usable life or fails outside of warranty, ICE cars can technically go on as well as the day they rolled off the line if cared for properly...the only thing here is cost.. warranty, extended warranty then self warranty😉 eventually. You can be relatively OK long term with Porsche, or you can get very unlucky.. hopefully before the self warranty period.. but even then, averaged over the years of long term ownership, generally it falls in the OK category.. Back to the EV, long term it's a time bomb no matter what.. And by then even if you pony up for a new battery, who the heck wants to drive a 10yr old laptop when you can put the money towards the latest "tech". As far as which is the most reliable, the base model without air suspension😀, but then you come back to the reasons stated earlier. I wouldn't worry about the increase in value proposition..long way to go there and unless it's mint, probably not that interesting by then..
All that said, buy the best V8 model you can afford that is purely ICE, no hybrid, and you have something fun, cool, sounds nice, is a pleasure to drive and puts a smile on your face. Oh and you won't know yourself sitting inside that vs the public transport interior of a Tesla.

 

This for sure. Tesla interior quality is pretty disappointing. Even the Taycan is not as nice as the Panamera. Surprised how much Porsche cheaped out the Taycan interior even though it's on the same platform as the Panamera.

 

Get a Turbo.

 

The turbo is probably the best agreed.

What do you guys think of the e-hybrid models? Are they reliable? From logic standpoint I would think they are not very reliable because of the complicated drivetrain. The e-hybrid would probably be the best for my situation though because I commute 80 miles every day.

Also I know the adaptive cruise and lane keeping in this car in traffic is no where close to what a Tesla can do. How is the porsche system during traffic jams? Thats the only time I really only use these assist systems. other times I prefer to drive.

 

If you are considering the hybrid just keep your Tesla as your desire to own for a long time will also lead to an expensive battery headache.. Plenty on the forums about hybrid battery issues.

 

Four door sedans depreciate like a rock- in fact the Panamera is the worst in terms of losing value out of the entire product line. But then four door sedans are the fastest depreciations model of all cars. Particularly luxury cars like the Mercedes S560 or the BMW 7 series.

 

if you want to dump the tesla go for the Turbo S Hybrid. It's a great car but indeed, it's pretty complex but so far the powertrain seems pretty bulletproof. However side costs like the carbon brakes might make it a bad very long term bet.

They do depreciate a lot indeed, like all luxury barges, but in the long term I wonder how the "ocean" of "Super SUVs" will fare, and I doubt they'll do much better, just wait for the next gen Uruses etc. Even if it's of course worse for the germans (Porsche included) as they tend to flood markets with cars just to meet production goals (and then they need to make demand match these goals...)

 

It doesn’t make sense why you are considering a Panamera considering the second paragraph above. Say again?

Avoid MB if you don’t like engines that grenade before 100k miles. Post 3 above is indicative of how far down the muddy slope of poor quality MB has slipped. Don’t do it.

 

Found this. Don't know how accurate. There are best and worst depreciating if you look at websites options. Buy a 911 if you want best depreciation value.
Porsche Panamera Depreciation (caredge.com)

 

Anybody have a good used 20-22 Sport Turismo for sale ? Don't need or want Turbo or GTS, base car just fine for me. Thanks Bob