Panamera Turbo Sport Turismo vs M8 Gran Coupe Competition
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Panamera Turbo Sport Turismo vs M8 Gran Coupe Competition
I've had my Panamera Turbo ST since March and it's a great car. Plenty of room, power etc. It's a 2018 with 20k miles and the warranty runs out in April of 2022 which is a bit of concern for me. I have few other cars coming in soon but I've always been drawn to the M8, esp. the Gran Coupe. I guess largely for it's super aggressive look and the fact that it has super car performance levels. I've had many BMWs in the past including (E46 M3 ZCP, 7 series, M760, 6 series and presently have an X7 M50i). I like the infotainment and the tech is great. The tech in the Panamera is great as well. Especially Google maps and the large PCM screens. I can get an amazing deal on a '20 M8 Gran Coupe in a beautiful color but wanted to get feedback from others who may have had experience with both. The draw for me on the M8 is longer warranty period and more power. Thanks for sharing your experiences!
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overall I would drive them back to back and see what it is that you want. Better real life acceleration and some updated tech or a better handling ride with poise. Granted you give up some straight line speed but are you hitting lots of traffic lights opposed to m8s now and don’t like losing the sprint to the next light?! In the real world 550hp does just fine!
good luck either car is a winner for sure.
#4
I have gone back and forth between the two brands quite frequently. Most recently I came out of an f90m5(140k msrp) for the panny st turbo. I drove the m8 comp on the track at at the bmw center in NC also. My m5 was tuned to 800hp and had an akrapovic exhaust. Aside from exactly what you mention, better tech in terms of car play not dropping out and slightly updated screens and wireless charging as well as straight line acceleration I found the Panny to win hands down for me. The driving dynamics of a Porsche just can’t be beat in my option. That “special sauce” is the feel of the car that just can’t be replicated. The balanced handing back the much stiffer ride of the M5 was also a huge win for me. My m5 I would stay in comfort 9/10 times because it was harsh in sport (plus). My Panamera I can drive in all three suspension settings comfortably.
overall I would drive them back to back and see what it is that you want. Better real life acceleration and some updated tech or a better handling ride with poise. Granted you give up some straight line speed but are you hitting lots of traffic lights opposed to m8s now and don’t like losing the sprint to the next light?! In the real world 550hp does just fine!
good luck either car is a winner for sure.
overall I would drive them back to back and see what it is that you want. Better real life acceleration and some updated tech or a better handling ride with poise. Granted you give up some straight line speed but are you hitting lots of traffic lights opposed to m8s now and don’t like losing the sprint to the next light?! In the real world 550hp does just fine!
good luck either car is a winner for sure.
#5
I wouldn't trade a Porsche for a BMW. When the newness of the BMW wears off I will be longing for a Porsche again. You've had the ST for a while and that's what's prompting the change. But you're at the top of the food chain. Nothing else compares. I'd CPO my car or upgrade to the refresh. My two cents.
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I wouldn't trade a Porsche for a BMW. When the newness of the BMW wears off I will be longing for a Porsche again. You've had the ST for a while and that's what's prompting the change. But you're at the top of the food chain. Nothing else compares. I'd CPO my car or upgrade to the refresh. My two cents.
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My 2 cents...even a fully loaded M8 GC Comp w/every option is still essentially just a 5 series underneath. It's absolute farthest that platform gets pushed. Whereas a Panamera is a nearly bespoke platform that's only shared with Bentley. To me, it's immediately evident that it's a vastly more expensive car in build quality and fit/finish. I have not driven the M8 GC but I have driven a Turbo S Sport Turismo and I find it hard to imagine the BMW would be a more involving, more enjoyable car to drive. Overall, I think you get what you pay for. Not that the M8 is a bad car in any way, not even close. But I think the Panamera more than justifies its price...and even compared to its true rivals, the 7 Series and S Class, I think it's the superior car. That platform was designed to underpin possibly the best $275-$300k cars on the market (Continental/Flying Spur) - and it shows IMO.
I say all this as a huge BMW fan.
I say all this as a huge BMW fan.
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Originally Posted by harrish1985
Thank you. I appreciate the input. I’ve had several BMWs (all high end models) and I’ll add that fit / quality / finish is on par with the Panamera. The disappointing factor on the BMW is resale. I have a ‘22 911 GTS coming in as well as a few other exotics including G63 so I’ll always go back and forth. My main intent is to get real world feedback from people that have driven both / own both or have considered both the Panamera and M8 GC Comp.
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Thank you for the valuable feedback. I appreciate it!
I'm not discounting one brand or another and my intent is not to justify my inclination for wanting to lean towards the M8 but the fact is the following:
Panamera shares platform with Audi A7 which also shares platform with Bentley models. BMW engines are interchanged as well. The upcoming '22 / '23 Range Rover has the 4.4L V8 TT from BMW. I guess for me it's about what has the best value. If I can get more than what I paid for the Panamera and buy an M8 GC below market average and have a couple of years of warranty that checks the boxes for me. The fit / finish / build of the Panamera is very nice but I also found the fit / finish / build of the higher end BMWs I owned nice as well. Yes, I agree the M8 shares very similar ques to the 5 series but I can alternatively draw the same conclusion about a base Macan / Panamera or Cayenne sharing similar ques. I guess time will tell!
I'm not discounting one brand or another and my intent is not to justify my inclination for wanting to lean towards the M8 but the fact is the following:
Panamera shares platform with Audi A7 which also shares platform with Bentley models. BMW engines are interchanged as well. The upcoming '22 / '23 Range Rover has the 4.4L V8 TT from BMW. I guess for me it's about what has the best value. If I can get more than what I paid for the Panamera and buy an M8 GC below market average and have a couple of years of warranty that checks the boxes for me. The fit / finish / build of the Panamera is very nice but I also found the fit / finish / build of the higher end BMWs I owned nice as well. Yes, I agree the M8 shares very similar ques to the 5 series but I can alternatively draw the same conclusion about a base Macan / Panamera or Cayenne sharing similar ques. I guess time will tell!
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Originally Posted by harrish1985
Thank you for the valuable feedback. I appreciate it!
I'm not discounting one brand or another and my intent is not to justify my inclination for wanting to lean towards the M8 but the fact is the following:
Panamera shares platform with Audi A7 which also shares platform with Bentley models. BMW engines are interchanged as well. The upcoming '22 / '23 Range Rover has the 4.4L V8 TT from BMW. I guess for me it's about what has the best value. If I can get more than what I paid for the Panamera and buy an M8 GC below market average and have a couple of years of warranty that checks the boxes for me. The fit / finish / build of the Panamera is very nice but I also found the fit / finish / build of the higher end BMWs I owned nice as well. Yes, I agree the M8 shares very similar ques to the 5 series but I can alternatively draw the same conclusion about a base Macan / Panamera or Cayenne sharing similar ques. I guess time will tell!
I'm not discounting one brand or another and my intent is not to justify my inclination for wanting to lean towards the M8 but the fact is the following:
Panamera shares platform with Audi A7 which also shares platform with Bentley models. BMW engines are interchanged as well. The upcoming '22 / '23 Range Rover has the 4.4L V8 TT from BMW. I guess for me it's about what has the best value. If I can get more than what I paid for the Panamera and buy an M8 GC below market average and have a couple of years of warranty that checks the boxes for me. The fit / finish / build of the Panamera is very nice but I also found the fit / finish / build of the higher end BMWs I owned nice as well. Yes, I agree the M8 shares very similar ques to the 5 series but I can alternatively draw the same conclusion about a base Macan / Panamera or Cayenne sharing similar ques. I guess time will tell!
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@harrish1985 if you're a chronic switcher/trader have you thought about a Taycan Turbo S Cross Turismo? Quick as a bullet, instant torque, Porsche quality, etc etc etc. Also expensive as hell but given your stable that doesn't seem to be much of an issue if it's what you want.
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Thank you for the valuable feedback. I appreciate it!
I'm not discounting one brand or another and my intent is not to justify my inclination for wanting to lean towards the M8 but the fact is the following:
Panamera shares platform with Audi A7 which also shares platform with Bentley models. BMW engines are interchanged as well. The upcoming '22 / '23 Range Rover has the 4.4L V8 TT from BMW. I guess for me it's about what has the best value. If I can get more than what I paid for the Panamera and buy an M8 GC below market average and have a couple of years of warranty that checks the boxes for me. The fit / finish / build of the Panamera is very nice but I also found the fit / finish / build of the higher end BMWs I owned nice as well. Yes, I agree the M8 shares very similar ques to the 5 series but I can alternatively draw the same conclusion about a base Macan / Panamera or Cayenne sharing similar ques. I guess time will tell!
I'm not discounting one brand or another and my intent is not to justify my inclination for wanting to lean towards the M8 but the fact is the following:
Panamera shares platform with Audi A7 which also shares platform with Bentley models. BMW engines are interchanged as well. The upcoming '22 / '23 Range Rover has the 4.4L V8 TT from BMW. I guess for me it's about what has the best value. If I can get more than what I paid for the Panamera and buy an M8 GC below market average and have a couple of years of warranty that checks the boxes for me. The fit / finish / build of the Panamera is very nice but I also found the fit / finish / build of the higher end BMWs I owned nice as well. Yes, I agree the M8 shares very similar ques to the 5 series but I can alternatively draw the same conclusion about a base Macan / Panamera or Cayenne sharing similar ques. I guess time will tell!
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Yes indeed, the A6/A7 are built on the same platform as much of the rest of VAG products. Some familiarities are weird... Q7 is based on A4 (hence the non electrically adjustable headrests on the Bentayga that builts on the Q7 platform... first world problems I know).
However all Panamera engines are VAG common-fare, which if you think of it makes it less exclusive than MBs 4 litres or BMWs...The fact that the Panamera/GTCs are the only ones with a PDK gearbox is cool, even if it's a very limiting factor for the Hybrid Turbo S that could have way more torque...
But then again, if you're really after a "bespoke" platform, nothing will beat a GTC4 but there the gearbox comes from the Portofino, the engine is a detuned 812s etc... gnnhh.
However all Panamera engines are VAG common-fare, which if you think of it makes it less exclusive than MBs 4 litres or BMWs...The fact that the Panamera/GTCs are the only ones with a PDK gearbox is cool, even if it's a very limiting factor for the Hybrid Turbo S that could have way more torque...
But then again, if you're really after a "bespoke" platform, nothing will beat a GTC4 but there the gearbox comes from the Portofino, the engine is a detuned 812s etc... gnnhh.