Panamera Sport Turismo USA Production Ending?
#1
Panamera Sport Turismo USA Production Ending?
I was just at my dealer and my sales guy told me that there will not be any additional Sport Turismo models coming to the US. Have any of you heard about this?
#4
Pro
These are some of the most niche models available. Even seasoned car industry followers are surprised to learn that Mercedes only produces about 235 E63S Estates per model year, 1/2 come to the US market. Porsche is typically really good about estimating demand and managing supply but in the case of the Sport Turismo, they really overshot the market. There are a lot of ST cars for sale right now and that last time I looked there were 17 Turbo S e-hybrid models, all MSRP’ing for over $200k. There just isn’t enough market for this car at that price point. BMW and Audi don’t even bother bringing their supercar wagons to the US market.
#5
Local dealer told me that if you want one, you can order one. But not to expect random wagons on dealer lots with out a buyer attached.
I have my heart on a GTS wagon
I have my heart on a GTS wagon
#6
Pro
Well that is a load of dealer bull$hit. There are 170 brand new Sport Turismos for sale in the US right now.
#7
Burning Brakes
This is a bummer but not all that surprising, especially when pared with the fact that the "better value" E63S only sells 235 copies/year, with half of those in the US, as @jnolan cited and as I've read elsewhere. That's a stunningly low number to me.
Now add $25k-75k to the MSRP, subtract some utility, subtract some sound track, subtract some performance (in anything other than the Turbo S e-Hybrid model) and poof. There goes the business case for the ST. Turns out not that many people want a $125k - $200k station wagon from *any* mfr. SUVs otoh...crazy.
That said, I freaking love my ST Turbo, and it may have just turned into a total unicorn. I think by now most of you know the crazy deal I got on my Turbo ST, and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. It's the best car I've ever owned or driven, bar none. I'd recommend an ST whether this rumor is true or not, especially one of the 170 sitting on dealer lots...
EDIT: articles like this:
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...hooting-brake/
...from mid-2017 were talking about ST sales projected (hoped?) in the 20% range, or around 1200/year in the US. Oops?
EDIT2: it also occurs to me that with 170 examples of a super-low demand vehicle sitting on lots, some dealers would say just about anything to move them, including that they're being EOL'd
Now add $25k-75k to the MSRP, subtract some utility, subtract some sound track, subtract some performance (in anything other than the Turbo S e-Hybrid model) and poof. There goes the business case for the ST. Turns out not that many people want a $125k - $200k station wagon from *any* mfr. SUVs otoh...crazy.
That said, I freaking love my ST Turbo, and it may have just turned into a total unicorn. I think by now most of you know the crazy deal I got on my Turbo ST, and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. It's the best car I've ever owned or driven, bar none. I'd recommend an ST whether this rumor is true or not, especially one of the 170 sitting on dealer lots...
EDIT: articles like this:
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...hooting-brake/
...from mid-2017 were talking about ST sales projected (hoped?) in the 20% range, or around 1200/year in the US. Oops?
EDIT2: it also occurs to me that with 170 examples of a super-low demand vehicle sitting on lots, some dealers would say just about anything to move them, including that they're being EOL'd
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#8
This is a bummer but not all that surprising, especially when pared with the fact that the "better value" E63S only sells 235 copies/year, with half of those in the US, as @jnolan cited and as I've read elsewhere. That's a stunningly low number to me.
Now add $25k-75k to the MSRP, subtract some utility, subtract some sound track, subtract some performance (in anything other than the Turbo S e-Hybrid model) and poof. There goes the business case for the ST. Turns out not that many people want a $125k - $200k station wagon from *any* mfr. SUVs otoh...crazy.
That said, I freaking love my ST Turbo, and it may have just turned into a total unicorn. I think by now most of you know the crazy deal I got on my Turbo ST, and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. It's the best car I've ever owned or driven, bar none. I'd recommend an ST whether this rumor is true or not, especially one of the 170 sitting on dealer lots...
EDIT: articles like this:
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...hooting-brake/
...from mid-2017 were talking about ST sales projected (hoped?) in the 20% range, or around 1200/year in the US. Oops?
EDIT2: it also occurs to me that with 170 examples of a super-low demand vehicle sitting on lots, some dealers would say just about anything to move them, including that they're being EOL'd
Now add $25k-75k to the MSRP, subtract some utility, subtract some sound track, subtract some performance (in anything other than the Turbo S e-Hybrid model) and poof. There goes the business case for the ST. Turns out not that many people want a $125k - $200k station wagon from *any* mfr. SUVs otoh...crazy.
That said, I freaking love my ST Turbo, and it may have just turned into a total unicorn. I think by now most of you know the crazy deal I got on my Turbo ST, and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. It's the best car I've ever owned or driven, bar none. I'd recommend an ST whether this rumor is true or not, especially one of the 170 sitting on dealer lots...
EDIT: articles like this:
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...hooting-brake/
...from mid-2017 were talking about ST sales projected (hoped?) in the 20% range, or around 1200/year in the US. Oops?
EDIT2: it also occurs to me that with 170 examples of a super-low demand vehicle sitting on lots, some dealers would say just about anything to move them, including that they're being EOL'd
#9
Burning Brakes
Not at all, though it's a little more complex than just that. Here's the deal I got for a still-new 2018 PTT ST:
-$182k MSRP
-$152k sale price ($30k off)
-dealer ate about $12k in negative equity on my trade (a Volvo lease)
-dealer ate $2500 in round trip shipping; ST to me, Volvo back to them
That's about $45k. I'm not sure how much corporate is compensating dealers on these (if at all) but there seems little doubt that the dealer lost money on this transaction. Plus:
-I avoided a looming $5k mileage overage penalty on the Volvo
-I avoided about $38xx in sales tax on the PTT owed to the portion ascribed to the trade in
So I saved/avoided about $54k on the transaction in total.
This was about a month+ ago. The crazy thing is that in all likelihood the car would still be sitting on their lot, and I could probably do even better today. Thing is, it was optioned almost exactly as I would've ordered in fantasy land so I pulled the trigger. No regrets.
-$182k MSRP
-$152k sale price ($30k off)
-dealer ate about $12k in negative equity on my trade (a Volvo lease)
-dealer ate $2500 in round trip shipping; ST to me, Volvo back to them
That's about $45k. I'm not sure how much corporate is compensating dealers on these (if at all) but there seems little doubt that the dealer lost money on this transaction. Plus:
-I avoided a looming $5k mileage overage penalty on the Volvo
-I avoided about $38xx in sales tax on the PTT owed to the portion ascribed to the trade in
So I saved/avoided about $54k on the transaction in total.
This was about a month+ ago. The crazy thing is that in all likelihood the car would still be sitting on their lot, and I could probably do even better today. Thing is, it was optioned almost exactly as I would've ordered in fantasy land so I pulled the trigger. No regrets.
#10
wow that's a hell of a deal. if I can get something close to 30K off a custom GTS ST, I'm all ears
otherwise, I'll go the CPO route.
otherwise, I'll go the CPO route.
#12
Burning Brakes
There are also a lot of executive demos, and lightly used CPOs...
#13
Burning Brakes
#14
Pro
https://www.cars.com/for-sale/search...28880&zc=94061
You can negotiate a steep discount. Dealers are not stupid, they see the writing on the wall with so many 2018 cars unsold. There is no scenario where these cars suddenly see demand go up.
You can negotiate a steep discount. Dealers are not stupid, they see the writing on the wall with so many 2018 cars unsold. There is no scenario where these cars suddenly see demand go up.
#15
Burning Brakes
https://www.cars.com/for-sale/search...28880&zc=94061
You can negotiate a steep discount. Dealers are not stupid, they see the writing on the wall with so many 2018 cars unsold. There is no scenario where these cars suddenly see demand go up.
You can negotiate a steep discount. Dealers are not stupid, they see the writing on the wall with so many 2018 cars unsold. There is no scenario where these cars suddenly see demand go up.