2019 panamera sport turismo GTS
01-25-2019 | 01:59 PM
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01-26-2019 | 08:26 PM
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I have a E63S Estate and a Panamera Turbo S e-hybrid Sport Turismo. They are really very different cars and if you have your heart set on the E63S for the stance, aggressiveness, sound, and performance, I think the Panamera will disappoint you. The Panamera, on the other hand, is more $ because it is a much more luxurious car that also delivers on performance. The first time I drove my Panamera I was a little disappointed until about 10 minutes in when I really appreciated the attention to detail, cabin comfort, and overall feel of the car. Obviously the performance is right on the E63S but it just feels different, a lot less raw and unrestrained. The Mercedes is pretty bonkers to drive and if the car shed some weight, even just 500 lbs, it would be in a class by itself.
01-31-2019 | 05:08 PM
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Taking delivery of CPO Sports Turismo 4 on Saturday. Loaded with cool options, Sports Pkg, Special Painted body color wheel, Carbon Fiber pkg, etc...Volcano with Blk leather interior...will be my DD.Pics when the car arrives...Great deal...too good to pass up.
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02-01-2019 | 03:01 PM
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E63 wagon vs panamera 4s
Trading in my 14 E63s sedan. Drove a slightly used E63s wagon that sold that same day. Very disappointed. Dealer pointed in the direction of a panamera 4s demo yesterday. Certainly not the guttural sound/power of my current car, but a more luxurious car. But no voice control on a $146,000 car???? He stated (and I have read) most use apple carplay. Any thoughts on this? This may be a deal breaker for me as I use my Nav frequently.
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02-01-2019 | 05:16 PM
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I am impressed you used the voice control on your Mercedes. Like almost all of the OEM voice systems, I found the structured syntax and menu-centric approach to be incredibly frustrating. Apple has a long way to go before Siri will be as good as Google Voice Assistant, but CarPlay in a Porsche (or Mercedes) is a massive upgrade from what you get from the factory.
I think it is just a matter of time before the car companies stop trying to build their own systems. They cling to the notion that what they deliver is good enough but it is not and won’t be, and with 98% of the world carrying an Android or iPhone with them whenever they enter a car, why continue building your own and licensing technology from the likes of Nuance. If you gave me an infotainment/PCM delete option on a new Porsche, I’d take it every time. Just give me a USB port and Bluetooth.
I think it is just a matter of time before the car companies stop trying to build their own systems. They cling to the notion that what they deliver is good enough but it is not and won’t be, and with 98% of the world carrying an Android or iPhone with them whenever they enter a car, why continue building your own and licensing technology from the likes of Nuance. If you gave me an infotainment/PCM delete option on a new Porsche, I’d take it every time. Just give me a USB port and Bluetooth.
Trading in my 14 E63s sedan. Drove a slightly used E63s wagon that sold that same day. Very disappointed. Dealer pointed in the direction of a panamera 4s demo yesterday. Certainly not the guttural sound/power of my current car, but a more luxurious car. But no voice control on a $146,000 car???? He stated (and I have read) most use apple carplay. Any thoughts on this? This may be a deal breaker for me as I use my Nav frequently.
02-03-2019 | 10:19 AM
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The new bmw idrive is best. Working voice command and super fast scroll and channel select. A reason to get M5 over E63.
02-07-2019 | 12:18 PM
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I've always liked idrive since the 09 CIC version. I don't have any issues with my 17 macan gts and 18 gte ICE but the bit of playing I have done on the panamera's system was positive. I do think car play and android auto are superior but I will say I quite like a well done and thought out factory option.
02-07-2019 | 04:24 PM
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I picked up a 2018 Turbo instead
I was considering ordering a 2019 GTS ST until I heard they were limiting the TS to special orders only. I'm in south Florida and the dealers in this area have a number of 2018 Turbo ST that they were willing to deal on. My deal for the Turbo ST with a trade in of my 2013 Cayenne GTS came in at the same cost as if I ordered the 2019 GTS with the same options. My Turbo ST is a Launch Vehicle with a lot of options, so for the same price I picked up almost 100 HP, more torque and bigger brakes. Love the car
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02-07-2019 | 04:43 PM
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My thoughts exactly
I did get my dealer to slightly discount the gts ST because of the fact that I could get a 18 turbo at 30k off sticker. Iam hoping the gts gives me the same or better driving satisfaction that a turbo would.
SUPwagon- I am also coming out of a cayenne 16’ GTS to the ST. Any regrets on transitioning from cayenne to panamera?
SUPwagon- I am also coming out of a cayenne 16’ GTS to the ST. Any regrets on transitioning from cayenne to panamera?
02-08-2019 | 12:17 PM
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None, you loose some cargo space but the improved ride quality and power is amazing. The Cayenne handles better than most SUVs but the Panamera Turbo is in a class of its own. Some people feel the controls are too complicated but I enjoy the ability to adjust the screens and controls that suit my needs at the time. This new PCM allows you the flexibility to prearrange the home page with set ups for driving in town or long trips. I am planning to keep this car a long time. While it wont beat a 911 on the track, There are not a lot of vehicles that handle great, does zero to 60 in 3 seconds, can haul 2 retrievers in back or a paddle board on top, able to pull a 1g on a skid pad and be comfortable to ride in. And I do not do track events so I don't need a track car but I do long drives with family and dogs. And it looks great. So while I enjoyed the Cayenne and think they are great I have no regrets on the transition.