Help and RANT
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Racer
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Help and RANT
so we bought a panny turbo 2010, and it’s fully loaded. Sport plus, PASM, etc etc. every option, sticker 165k. I heard lots of horror stories about pasm and I took a chance, and now I got ****ed. First, pasm warning, then chassis failure. I noticed the front right would sag overnight. Took it in and it was a leaking airbag, that was fixed. Because of the leak the compressor was overworked and it wouldn’t hold pressure now. Compressor changed. Then I changed the left front airbag prophylactically, just in case. So after dropping a ton in the first 2 months of ownership, I was driving it again happy.
TODAY: taking its long distance 600mi round trip and 120 mi into it, the chassis failure comes on. I pull over and notice BOTH front airbags are fully inflated and the front is super high. I turn car off and on, nothing happens but failure goes away. I drive it a bit, the front comes down but the chassis failure comes on, and then the code with yellow car and side arrows come on. Now both are on.
WTF is wrong with this car? Who the hell NEEDS pasm anyway? What a piece of shirt.
Anyhow, what’s wrong with the car? Has new bags and new compressor. Indy did the work, said they called Porsche to get caliberation numbers,
oh btw, when I got the car back after they calibrated and changed the bags, the right front was sitting about 0.75” lower at baseline than the left side. Indy said it may normalize in a few days but it didn’t. He said bring it in for recalibration.
Whats going on? Why the Samad failure again after I changed the parts?
TODAY: taking its long distance 600mi round trip and 120 mi into it, the chassis failure comes on. I pull over and notice BOTH front airbags are fully inflated and the front is super high. I turn car off and on, nothing happens but failure goes away. I drive it a bit, the front comes down but the chassis failure comes on, and then the code with yellow car and side arrows come on. Now both are on.
WTF is wrong with this car? Who the hell NEEDS pasm anyway? What a piece of shirt.
Anyhow, what’s wrong with the car? Has new bags and new compressor. Indy did the work, said they called Porsche to get caliberation numbers,
oh btw, when I got the car back after they calibrated and changed the bags, the right front was sitting about 0.75” lower at baseline than the left side. Indy said it may normalize in a few days but it didn’t. He said bring it in for recalibration.
Whats going on? Why the Samad failure again after I changed the parts?
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First of all that sucks. Secondly, PASM, air ride issues are not common but not rare and there are a lot of DIY troubleshooting threads to take a look at online. Try a different shop. The costs of messing with these systems is really dependent on how much the person doing the work knows what in the hell they are doing - seriously.
There are some specific troubleshooting things with the junction box failing of all of the air lines too, not just the compressor. So if that's leaking it also causes the compressor to work over time to keep the bags filled. If you replaced the shocks, then most likely you have some line leaks or in that junction box thing - I can't remember what its called. Do a search or maybe someone will chime in on those specific thread. I think Insane Garage also has a DIY troubleshooter.
I pray that my PASM doesn't have issues, but I do have a warranty if I do.
What does PASM do - well it does a lot, and it makes a big difference over a car that is not equipped with it. Between this and the active roll bar system, its what gives the Panamera its glued feeling while driving. It makes the car special. Its unfortunate that its not the most bullet proof thing about the car. The reality is, for a near $200,000 fully equipped car, the parts and labor are not stupid expensive, but I know its not cheap. That's the risk when you buy a really expensive car used. The old saying is, if you can't afford it new, you can't afford it used....there is some truth to that, but I would say the depreciation you didn't pay is still 2-3x more than any repairs you'll ever pay. You just can't think that buying a $200,000 car used for $50,000 means you aren't ever going to have something break. There are a lot of fancy complicated features in the Panamera.
These cars cost money to repair and maintain. On the positive side, Porsche is way higher in reliable than almost any premium brand, and certainly higher than any supercar brand. As a whole there are a lot fewer nightmare stories with the Panamera Turbo than with other brands and models.
There are some specific troubleshooting things with the junction box failing of all of the air lines too, not just the compressor. So if that's leaking it also causes the compressor to work over time to keep the bags filled. If you replaced the shocks, then most likely you have some line leaks or in that junction box thing - I can't remember what its called. Do a search or maybe someone will chime in on those specific thread. I think Insane Garage also has a DIY troubleshooter.
I pray that my PASM doesn't have issues, but I do have a warranty if I do.
What does PASM do - well it does a lot, and it makes a big difference over a car that is not equipped with it. Between this and the active roll bar system, its what gives the Panamera its glued feeling while driving. It makes the car special. Its unfortunate that its not the most bullet proof thing about the car. The reality is, for a near $200,000 fully equipped car, the parts and labor are not stupid expensive, but I know its not cheap. That's the risk when you buy a really expensive car used. The old saying is, if you can't afford it new, you can't afford it used....there is some truth to that, but I would say the depreciation you didn't pay is still 2-3x more than any repairs you'll ever pay. You just can't think that buying a $200,000 car used for $50,000 means you aren't ever going to have something break. There are a lot of fancy complicated features in the Panamera.
These cars cost money to repair and maintain. On the positive side, Porsche is way higher in reliable than almost any premium brand, and certainly higher than any supercar brand. As a whole there are a lot fewer nightmare stories with the Panamera Turbo than with other brands and models.
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So I took it back to the indy.. and he found the culprit. So the 4 sensors are held in place by a little flimsy plastic rod. The front left sensor's rod broke, causing the sensor to fall down, throwing the car out of whack. When he ran the codes, it stated there was a left front sensor failure. Seems I broke the little flimsy rode going over a bump or a rock hit it or something. Anyhow, the rod/sensor holder assembly is ONLY sold with a new sensor ($300 or so). What he did was take a metal bolt of similar size, if it and held it in place by 2 nuts. Fit and worked like a charm. Better than paying for a new sensor I didn't need only to have another flimsy plastic piece. I'm taking it back in a week to have the other 3 rods replaced prophylactically.
It's amazing to see how these super expensive supercars are built so cheaply... a little plastic rod that can easily be replaced without issues regarding weight and balance by a similar metal piece.. but they chose to go with plastic. For a part that's constantly moving, deteriorating, etc.
ugh.
It's amazing to see how these super expensive supercars are built so cheaply... a little plastic rod that can easily be replaced without issues regarding weight and balance by a similar metal piece.. but they chose to go with plastic. For a part that's constantly moving, deteriorating, etc.
ugh.
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Sound like he replace an endlink. Those don't typically wear out. People do replace those with an adjustable version that allows you to lower the car in all mods a bit, and they are much more substantial that the stock piece. This could be an option for you, if the stock bug you in how they function with the added benefit of changing the ride height a little!