e-hybrids delivery in December?
11-26-2017, 09:33 PM
#1
e-hybrids delivery in December?
Since there are a bunch of us including myself with their cars stuck at port, I thought of starting a new thread where we could share any updates and news.
I think most of us were promised delivery in December.
Since December is only one week away , does any one have any news?
You would think we would hear something more concrete by now.
All I was told by my SA is the system is not providing updates because the cars are stuck at port.
Circle Porsche has had a few ads on Autotrader for a few weeks
"New 2018 Porsche Panamera E-Hybrid. Just arrived". Not likely IMO.
I think most of us were promised delivery in December.
Since December is only one week away , does any one have any news?
You would think we would hear something more concrete by now.
All I was told by my SA is the system is not providing updates because the cars are stuck at port.
Circle Porsche has had a few ads on Autotrader for a few weeks
"New 2018 Porsche Panamera E-Hybrid. Just arrived". Not likely IMO.
11-26-2017, 10:07 PM
#2
Since there are a bunch of us including myself with their cars stuck at port, I thought of starting a new thread where we could share any updates and news.
I think most of us were promised delivery in December.
Since December is only one week away , does any one have any news?
You would think we would hear something more concrete by now.
All I was told by my SA is the system is not providing updates because the cars are stuck at port.
Circle Porsche has had a few ads on Autotrader for a few weeks
"New 2018 Porsche Panamera E-Hybrid. Just arrived". Not likely IMO.
I think most of us were promised delivery in December.
Since December is only one week away , does any one have any news?
You would think we would hear something more concrete by now.
All I was told by my SA is the system is not providing updates because the cars are stuck at port.
Circle Porsche has had a few ads on Autotrader for a few weeks
"New 2018 Porsche Panamera E-Hybrid. Just arrived". Not likely IMO.
11-26-2017, 10:55 PM
#3
11-28-2017, 05:01 PM
#4
It was a pleasure to speak with you over the phone last week. As we discussed, I've looked into your request with all internal resources to see if I could uncover any additional details about the delayed delivery of your Porsche. I'm sorry to inform you that I found we anticipate further certification delays on your Panamera 4 E-Hybrid stretching into the early months of next year. I know that hearing this will be frustrating, and apologize I do not have better news to relay. I'll keep updating you as information becomes available.
So now I'm looking at possibly receiving my car sometime in the 1st Quarter of 2018!! Since the car exited the Build Shop in late June, that will mean the car has been sitting in various locations (Germany; Ship; San Diego Port) for at least seven months (assuming late January) without any battery charge!! Plus there is still the issue of the pending tax bill which for the House version will eliminate all tax credits for PHEV or Electric cars (meaning the loss of $6670). I've been renting an old Cadillac from a friend because I had to turn my Lexus back in at the end of July (it was a lease) and now my friend needs the Cadillac back soon for his daughter. I never anticipated this kind of a delay from my original August delivery date. I'm not sure what to do at this point??? I really wanted the Panamera 4 E-Hybrid but now I'm going to constantly be waiting for problems to occur since it has been sitting idle for so long. I'm seriously considering asking for my deposit to be returned or possibly to move it over to the Mission E assuming they can put me at the top of their waiting list. If so, then I need to find a temporary (two years??) solution in the short term. Maybe a used 911 that will hold its value??
11-28-2017, 06:29 PM
#6
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The idle time is a complicated issue.
On the positive side, I can say that if the car works and can be charged when it arrives, it's unlikely there are any long-term problems. On the negative side, there's a non-zero chance that the traction battery will be discharged deeply enough on arrival to be permanently damaged. If that's the case, it won't be hard to detect, and it will be correctable by replacing the battery. The dealer is equipped to yank it - it's about like lifting an engine out of a car. My dealership had to do that with my PSeH to implement a service bulletin change to the charge controller.
Lithium ion batteries don't suffer from self-discharge problems like lead-acid. They have some, but it's pretty minor. Unfortunately, there's significant load on the battery even when idle, so it can discharge anyway, given time. Given that Porsche's supply chain seems largely unfamiliar with PHEV's, I wouldn't be surprised if no one has addressed this and kept the car charged.
I'd bring my concerns to the dealership, and see what they have to say, before cancelling an order outright. Tell them you don't just want assurances that the car will be fine, you want to know what they will do if the car is not fine.
If you're trying to figure out what to do for 2-3 months, I'd suggest a long term car rental. I gather those are a thing, though I don't know the rates. They've got to be less than a Panamera lease if you're willing to settle for something boring.
For 2 years, your best choice is probably buying an older car that's seen most of its depreciation. Though that's 2 years of driving a car you probably don't like much.
Or you could just punt on it entirely, and buy a car that you actually want that isn't a P4eH.
11-28-2017, 07:14 PM
#7
Not surprised. I think they've known for a while it wouldn't happen until first quarter 18.
It's pretty clear when you go to the configurator and it's been saying for weeks, "Coming in early 2018."
I'll ping my SA in a week or so and if I get the same story, I plan to cancel.
Based on what I'm seeing I wouldn't put it past them in Q1 to say "Sorry, looks like it will be Q2"
It's pretty clear when you go to the configurator and it's been saying for weeks, "Coming in early 2018."
I'll ping my SA in a week or so and if I get the same story, I plan to cancel.
Based on what I'm seeing I wouldn't put it past them in Q1 to say "Sorry, looks like it will be Q2"
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11-28-2017, 11:27 PM
#8
The idle time is a complicated issue.
On the positive side, I can say that if the car works and can be charged when it arrives, it's unlikely there are any long-term problems. On the negative side, there's a non-zero chance that the traction battery will be discharged deeply enough on arrival to be permanently damaged. If that's the case, it won't be hard to detect, and it will be correctable by replacing the battery. The dealer is equipped to yank it - it's about like lifting an engine out of a car. My dealership had to do that with my PSeH to implement a service bulletin change to the charge controller.
Lithium ion batteries don't suffer from self-discharge problems like lead-acid. They have some, but it's pretty minor. Unfortunately, there's significant load on the battery even when idle, so it can discharge anyway, given time. Given that Porsche's supply chain seems largely unfamiliar with PHEV's, I wouldn't be surprised if no one has addressed this and kept the car charged.
I'd bring my concerns to the dealership, and see what they have to say, before cancelling an order outright. Tell them you don't just want assurances that the car will be fine, you want to know what they will do if the car is not fine.
If you're trying to figure out what to do for 2-3 months, I'd suggest a long term car rental. I gather those are a thing, though I don't know the rates. They've got to be less than a Panamera lease if you're willing to settle for something boring.
For 2 years, your best choice is probably buying an older car that's seen most of its depreciation. Though that's 2 years of driving a car you probably don't like much.
Or you could just punt on it entirely, and buy a car that you actually want that isn't a P4eH.
On the positive side, I can say that if the car works and can be charged when it arrives, it's unlikely there are any long-term problems. On the negative side, there's a non-zero chance that the traction battery will be discharged deeply enough on arrival to be permanently damaged. If that's the case, it won't be hard to detect, and it will be correctable by replacing the battery. The dealer is equipped to yank it - it's about like lifting an engine out of a car. My dealership had to do that with my PSeH to implement a service bulletin change to the charge controller.
Lithium ion batteries don't suffer from self-discharge problems like lead-acid. They have some, but it's pretty minor. Unfortunately, there's significant load on the battery even when idle, so it can discharge anyway, given time. Given that Porsche's supply chain seems largely unfamiliar with PHEV's, I wouldn't be surprised if no one has addressed this and kept the car charged.
I'd bring my concerns to the dealership, and see what they have to say, before cancelling an order outright. Tell them you don't just want assurances that the car will be fine, you want to know what they will do if the car is not fine.
If you're trying to figure out what to do for 2-3 months, I'd suggest a long term car rental. I gather those are a thing, though I don't know the rates. They've got to be less than a Panamera lease if you're willing to settle for something boring.
For 2 years, your best choice is probably buying an older car that's seen most of its depreciation. Though that's 2 years of driving a car you probably don't like much.
Or you could just punt on it entirely, and buy a car that you actually want that isn't a P4eH.
11-28-2017, 11:33 PM
#9
Not surprised. I think they've known for a while it wouldn't happen until first quarter 18.
It's pretty clear when you go to the configurator and it's been saying for weeks, "Coming in early 2018."
I'll ping my SA in a week or so and if I get the same story, I plan to cancel.
Based on what I'm seeing I wouldn't put it past them in Q1 to say "Sorry, looks like it will be Q2"
It's pretty clear when you go to the configurator and it's been saying for weeks, "Coming in early 2018."
I'll ping my SA in a week or so and if I get the same story, I plan to cancel.
Based on what I'm seeing I wouldn't put it past them in Q1 to say "Sorry, looks like it will be Q2"
11-28-2017, 11:52 PM
#10
It really sucks that we have to pull teeth to get any response and even that one Saratoga got is pretty vague.
Since their last letter said 8-12 weeks and that's pretty much up, I'm curious if they will send out another letter.
I can't imagine they will just leave everyone hanging including the dealers.
It will be interesting what they write in the next letter.
If this new delay is really true, their credibility is pretty much shot with me.
I'm just hoping they get their act together and try to pull off some December deliveries.
Would be great to have it by Christmas!
Since their last letter said 8-12 weeks and that's pretty much up, I'm curious if they will send out another letter.
I can't imagine they will just leave everyone hanging including the dealers.
It will be interesting what they write in the next letter.
If this new delay is really true, their credibility is pretty much shot with me.
I'm just hoping they get their act together and try to pull off some December deliveries.
Would be great to have it by Christmas!
11-29-2017, 04:15 AM
#11
This is a never-ending saga, very sorry to hear that things might even be moving in the wrong direction. I would go to the dealership and ask for a loaner or a guaranteed future value for a second hand 911. Or see if they would give you a substantial discount on a Panamera 4S or Turbo that they have in stock.
The e-Hybrid is a great car, but I am not sure it is worth this level of emotional angst!!
The e-Hybrid is a great car, but I am not sure it is worth this level of emotional angst!!
12-01-2017, 10:16 AM
#12
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My Turbo S E-hybrid has been sitting in port for some time. It was originally scheduled to be delivered next week. I'm hearing 1Q18.