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Old 07-13-2022, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Kritz
So, will BMW manufacture all seats with heated components and then turn it on once a subcription is paid? Seems like a major cost to fit all seats with heated hardware and hope the consumer pays for a subscription - "nickel and diming" the consumers.
Not really, in the old IBM mainframe days they did that all the time. When you wanted more grunt from your computer you paid IBM an obscene amount of money and your regular service guy waltzed in with the 'golden screwdriver'. 10 minutes later, voila.
Old 07-13-2022, 02:04 PM
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I believe Vietnamese electric vehicle manufacturer VinFast has launched a battery leasing model. Will be interesting to see if others copy.
Old 07-13-2022, 02:20 PM
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I'm not too surprised by this, and the one way that it could add benefit, is the used car market, I'm in SoCal, so don't need heated seats ( not often anyway) but then I sell the car, or move to a colder part of the country and would like it
then you can add it? or you add heated seats for 3 months of the year. Compared to the $500 to add it ( esp with a BMW and their generally great lease deals - pre-covid )

Old 07-13-2022, 03:12 PM
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It pisses me off to even pay for the map updates. I wouldn’t buy another BMW, not that Ive been tempted to lately.
Old 07-13-2022, 04:01 PM
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BMW did try this a few years back with Apple CarPlay subscriptions and had to end it after much uproar. Thanks to that also Porsche dropped the CarPlay payment in 2021. So BMW tries this once again. It make a lot of sense for them. After Tesla, BMW has the most developed and most reliable infotainment platform (iDrive 8), that gives Porsche’s PCM a run for the money.
We’ll see if is sticks this time…
Old 07-13-2022, 07:46 PM
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BMW already tried this in the US market with Carplay... it went over exactly how the reactions on this thread would make you think and they ultimately went back to only charging upfront for it. And carplay makes more sense than heated seats as it needs ongoing updates.
Old 07-13-2022, 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by slc4s
BMW already tried this in the US market with Carplay... it went over exactly how the reactions on this thread would make you think and they ultimately went back to only charging upfront for it. And carplay makes more sense than heated seats as it needs ongoing updates.
Subscriptions will eventually make their way back to North America. This is the way the world is turning unfortunately.
Old 07-13-2022, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Patton250
The new G80 the number one selling M3 of all time. By far actually. Somebody must not think it’s ugly.
Ugliness is in the eye of the beholder I guess.
Old 07-13-2022, 11:46 PM
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If I paid for the option ... heated seats, ventilated seats, nav, etc ... why do I have to keep paying? If its a subscription, fine. But then it should not be an extra cost option (as many BMW and Porsche add-ons are) and then a subscription fee as well. BMW backed down on airplay. Lets hope Porsche never feels the urge to screw the faithful.
Old 07-14-2022, 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by German1967
BMW did try this a few years back with Apple CarPlay subscriptions and had to end it after much uproar. Thanks to that also Porsche dropped the CarPlay payment in 2021. So BMW tries this once again. It make a lot of sense for them. After Tesla, BMW has the most developed and most reliable infotainment platform (iDrive 8), that gives Porsche’s PCM a run for the money.
We’ll see if is sticks this time…
I agree with you. That's exactly what happened. But I honestly think BMW's infotainment BLOW porsches out of the water. I have never had a better sounding stereo than the Berm in my last 911. But BMW infotainment is far superior if you ask me.
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Old 07-14-2022, 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by drcollie
All of this seemed to begin with software companies, remember when you used to buy Adobe Acrobat and Microsoft Office? Now you pay a monthly subscription fee which a much higher revenue stream for those companies than someone who buys the software every few years. I think the predecessor to this model may have been the cell phone companies, where everything is a monthly fee and almost no one buys outright on a new phone.

The younger generation is more than happy to hand over their auto-credit card for a monthly debit to it - for years on end - for the sake of convenience.

There is no way I am paying a monthly subscription to use an automotive feature. Not happening. If need be, I'll just go more analog on my cars. Hello, Singer?
Dr. Collie is right again. The younger generation has no problem in handing over their credit card for monthly subscriptions.
Old 07-14-2022, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by RudyP
Welcome to microtransaction hell...

Good thing BMW has completely lost their way and their cars are super ugly so I have no desire to buy their cars any more!
The new M4 competition is growing on me, I'll admit it. In a dark color, lowered with some aggressive offset wheels - it looks mean. Supposed to be a very good driving car too.

Old 07-14-2022, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Kritz
Hopefully, Porsche doesn't get any ideas.

https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/12/2...-seats-feature
And even more nickel and diming..... https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a4...0Non%20Openers
Old 08-11-2022, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by jtsrenn
And even more nickel and diming..... https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a4...0Non%20Openers
wow.
imagine the rest of the car going subscription; automatic window, intermittent wipers, radio, etc.
Old 08-11-2022, 04:57 PM
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Good God.

Personally, things like music, which is streaming, and the company has to pay royalty rights…sort of make sense to go to a subscription…but headlights? That’s a safety issue? Will there soon be a subscription for air bags and seat belts?


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