Texas is 790 miles wide so it would take a long time to drive across it in a Tesla. Might be faster to hitchhike and ride across Texas in an ICE vehicle.
Yep, no place to charge the car in the Trans Pecos.
Wow! You anti-green/anti-EV/anti-Tesla/anti-whatever guys are sensitive, blah blah blah.
Look at my post history in this and other Tesla threads and look at my avatar. Now listen to this part. I cringe every time folks like you and Nicole post something about Tesla. It comes across exactly like the stereotypical smug BS too many people accuse us Tesla drivers of. It is counter-productive and you are doing us actual owners no favors. At all.
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very true. But here is my opinion, if I may. To me, one can buy a similar to Model S car, in terms of fit, finish, suspension, tires, space and breaks for $30-40K less than what a Model S costs. For my taste, Model S is no different than a large top of the line Kia or Hyunday. Model 3, in my opinion, might be about 15K above something similar. All upfront. So despite lower running costs, there is a premium upfront. So no Tesla for me , but this is me. I am not trying to engage in an endless debate, but this is what works for me. Just sharing my opinion. Thanks everyone for a nice thread.
I agree that my Model S doesn't have the fit an finish of a similarly priced Mercedes or Audi. But it's more than "good enough". That Mercedes or Audi, including AMG and RS variants, also can't come anywhere near the Model S performance envelope, and to me, that is worth infinitely more than the quality of stitching I plop my *** on. I hope to god I never to a point in my life where I buy a car because of the way the dash feels when I rub my fingers across it. The Model S is a hugely entertaining giggle-machine and if a muscle car is defined as a family sedan with way too much engine, it's the greatest muscle car ever built. It puts a smile on my face every single time I drive it even after 3 years. I just got an update that let's me make my turn signals make fart noises. If that's not awesome, well, I feel sad for that person's lack of fun and humor. The fact that it's electric is the least interesting thing about it, IMO. I'd enjoy it equally if it had a gas engine if the perf was undiminished.
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How long would it take one to drive across Texas on I-10?
How are you going to get that Costco run home in your 911?
It's trivial to find edge cases where any car ever made sucks. If you need to traverse Texas as quickly as possible on a daily basis, electric vehicles are not for you. That dead horse don't need no more beating.
Tesla had a lot of pent up demand for Model 3 deliveries in the second half of last year, so it looked great and some people read into that a bit too much IMO.
Here's 3Q18:
And 4Q18:
And here's 1Q19:
This is still very impressive sales-wise, but not the crazy talk people were doing when they just used the last 2 quarters of 2018. Tesla does this every year, they get behind then scramble late. Note how relatively little BMW dropped off.
What's not shown is the decline in overall sedan sales, even though total sales per Brand didn't drop off. What that means is that even within a brand, buyers continue to shift away from sedans and into SUV's. So Tesla didn't cause most of the drop in BMW 3-series sales, the BMW X2 and X3 did.
This is the reason most of the upcoming non-Tesla EV's (Taycan notwithstanding) are compact SUV's. Tesla only has the expensive full size Model X which will get killed on bang per buck. Their compact SUV Model Y won't be released until 2020 best case at which point everyone else's version will be ready. IMO, Tesla screwed up by not getting the Y out the door even before the 3. Once an equivalent EV-SUV is out there, few will want the 3 anymore once the early adopters and fanboys get theirs, and they already did.
I took the 928 out yesterday for the first time this year. It seems much older than it used to.
lemme check back with you in 30 years to see what your thoughts are on your Tesla - if it feels much older than it used to
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It's trivial to find edge cases where any car ever made sucks. If you need to traverse Texas as quickly as possible on a daily basis, electric vehicles are not for you. .
As I said before, all cars are niche cars (for varying niche sizes).
I don't go out preaching the gospel of the Chrysler minivan and say you all are anti-large space or anti-American (anti-Canadian) because you aren't rushing out to buy one, even though the minivan fits some of my automotive needs perfectly (OK, technically the wife drives it except for the NY trips, but still)
[At all.I agree that my Model S doesn't have the fit an finish of a similarly priced Mercedes or Audi. But it's more than "good enough". That Mercedes or Audi, including AMG and RS variants, also can't come anywhere near the Model S performance envelope, and to me, that is worth infinitely more than the quality of stitching I plop my *** on. I hope to god I never to a point in my life where I buy a car because of the way the dash feels when I rub my fingers across it. The Model S is a hugely entertaining giggle-machine and if a muscle car is defined as a family sedan with way too much engine, it's the greatest muscle car ever built. It puts a smile on my face every single time I drive it even after 3 years. I just got an update that let's me make my turn signals make fart noises. If that's not awesome, well, I feel sad for that person's lack of fun and humor. The fact that it's electric is the least interesting thing about it, IMO. I'd enjoy it equally if it had a gas engine if the perf was undiminished.
Interesting to learn your point of view, but please note that I mentioned space, suspension and breaks as well. Fit and finish are just part of the whole package, which I believe is overpriced. In the end, we attribute different values to different characteristics, so all good.
How are you going to get that Costco run home in your 911?
It's trivial to find edge cases where any car ever made sucks. If you need to traverse Texas as quickly as possible on a daily basis, electric vehicles are not for you. That dead horse don't need no more beating.
So Texas is an edge case? Flyover country? Your analogy of the 911 is a non sequitur. For the record I have driven my 911 from Maine to Phoenix, Phoenix to Maine and Maine to Laredo TX. But to the issue, the Tesla is not meant to be a second car, it is a daily driver. I would not take the 993 to Costco (and I have never been in a Costco.) but I would take my CX-5, my DD.In my DD I have gone across Texas many times.
I agree that my Model S doesn't have the fit an finish of a similarly priced Mercedes or Audi. But it's more than "good enough". That Mercedes or Audi, including AMG and RS variants, also can't come anywhere near the Model S performance envelope, and to me, that is worth infinitely more than the quality of stitching I plop my *** on. I hope to god I never to a point in my life where I buy a car because of the way the dash feels when I rub my fingers across it. The Model S is a hugely entertaining giggle-machine and if a muscle car is defined as a family sedan with way too much engine, it's the greatest muscle car ever built. It puts a smile on my face every single time I drive it even after 3 years. I just got an update that let's me make my turn signals make fart noises. If that's not awesome, well, I feel sad for that person's lack of fun and humor. The fact that it's electric is the least interesting thing about it, IMO. I'd enjoy it equally if it had a gas engine if the perf was undiminished.
Quote: Tesla Engineers Baffled As Local Boomer Manages To Install 44 Viruses Into Car’s Computer
A local baby boomer, who thought purchasing an overpriced luxury electric vehicle will absolve him of all guilt for his generation’s role in signing the planet’s death warrant, has somehow managed to install over 40 malicious viruses into his Tesla’s on-board computer – leaving engineers at the US carmaker ‘baffled’.
Graham Washbrook, who made his money exploiting loopholes in our nation’s regressive tax system that rewards dishonesty and punishes the poor, told the Tesla boffins that he didn’t know how the viruses got inside his car.
The 69-year-old ham-fisted social and economic handbrake on our economy said the same thing to our reporter this afternoon.
“My grandson plays games on it sometimes,” he said.
“That must be it. I told his mother not to let him play in my nice new car! Damn it!”
However, some of the Tesla robots that are currently masquerading as human beings said that they’ve narrowed it down to a few avenues of investigation.
Speaking exclusively to The Advocate this afternoon via the floating pieces of celestial human faeces this government often refers to as the SkyMuster NBN, Peter Caper from Tesla said some of the things they uncovered in Mr Washbrook’s car have ‘really rattled’ his team.
“I’m not sure if I should be telling you this, you know?” he said.
“But that old guy who owns the car with the viruses in it, he’s been looking at some of the most depraved pornography I’ve ever seen. On his car computer, while he’s been driving around. Like it’s full-on scat ****. I had to take a day off work after I saw it,”
“The telemetry and tracking information suggests he drives around with it playing on the big screen, then sometimes he pulls over to shave the carrot on the side of the road. None us know what to do. We aren’t able to deal with this, so we just did a format and handed it back to him,”
“Don’t tell anybody I told you this. I don’t know how he’s managed to install 44 computer viruses into a car but anything is possible when a Boomer is left unsupervised with technology.”
How are you going to get that Costco run home in your 911?
It's trivial to find edge cases where any car ever made sucks. If you need to traverse Texas as quickly as possible on a daily basis, electric vehicles are not for you. That dead horse don't need no more beating.
Edge cases? OK, how about everyday cases? I am planning to attend a conference in Denton Texas in early June. That is a 347-mile trip each way. Need to leave at about 7am to get there for the conference start at 1:45pm. I'm thinking an electric car will not do it.
Oh, we have no Costco in Victoria, so I don't do any run homes in my 911.
Stock analysts continue to be split on TSLA. The delivery numbers are causing the Tesla "longs" to drop their stock target peak, one analyst adjusted his from $450 to $400. The Tesla "shorts" are now lowering their target lows from $220 down to $200. TLSA is down 17% in the last three months.
One odd-ball bit of news is that Fiat and Tesla signed an "open pool" agreement so Fiat can meet its EU emission regulations. I'm sure that agreement will result in a few million in payments to Tesla.
Slideshow: For a company obsessed with engineering precision, Porsche has occasionally named its cars in ways that left even loyal enthusiasts scratching their heads.
Slideshow: Pogea Racing's latest Porsche 964 project blends carbon-fiber construction, modern chassis upgrades, and up to 500 horsepower while keeping the air-cooled 911 experience firmly analog.
Slideshow: Talos Vehicles has transformed the Porsche 911 GT3 RS into a carbon-bodied, race-inspired machine that costs well over $1 million before the donor car is even included.
Slideshow: Long before engineering consulting became trendy, Porsche was quietly helping other automakers build everything from supercars to economy hatchbacks.
Slideshow: Some brands build cars. Porsche builds traditions, obsessions, and a few habits that stopped making sense decades ago but somehow became part of the charm.
