Then the average DIY guy won't be able to do the job. We all know that they have lost the 10mm socket!

 

 

Just as we have specialized transmission shops today, we should expect to see a new type of shop that repairs and refurbishes EV batteries at a much lower price than a replacement.

It's just a matter of time...

 

They must have bought all the leftover 10mm from Porsche.

 

the average age of cars in the US is around 12 years, so to most folks the last time they went car shopping the only "electric" option was a hybrid Prius in 2007.

and of course, the Apple car will have excellent cameras and a nice exterior packaging, but still lack basic fundamental features found on any economy car like door handles or a search function while reading PDFs

 

You know the radio won't have an AUX input.

 

How do you figure?

 

I think that Apple will not end up developing an actual car. They started and from what I could glean from the demise, they wanted to control the entire supplier side, like with FoxConn. They found that the parts manufacturers wouldn't put them at the front of the queue, and decided to focus on sensors.

 

this is an old article but the us.gov collects this info too for newer data.

https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/ave...114-years.html

 

I wonder what the current average age is. Do you have any idea?

 

https://www.autonews.com/automakers-...hits-118-years

 

I search PDFs on my iPhone all the time, using the native iOS Books app or the third party OneDrive or Dropbox apps. IIRC iOS actually had this functionality built in before Android did--you had to use something like the Google Drive app to even view a PDF last time I had an Android device.

 

45 hours, 16 minutes cross country in a Tesla:



...and I'm disagreeing with you, based on the idea that what is hurting EV sales overall is slow adoption by the masses. More EV's on the road means wider adoption which will be good for Tesla. If long term Tesla is hurt by this, it will be due to their own lack of being able to keep up in the market they more or less created.
History his chocked full of such examples of the pioneer being unable to keep up long term, history is also full of examples of such pioneers being able to keep up and continue to make a viable profitable product.

Now you're getting silly tossing in curve-***** like that, but even still I'll answer no. Ferrari did not go down any notches on the prestige level, they were still in F1, with legions of fans. I don't recall going to international racing events in the early 90's and seeing Ferrari flag, hats, and jackets replaced with Honda or Acura. The idea of that happening is rather silly, even today with Honda having a rich history in F1.

As for sales, they still sold every single car they could product. It's impossible to judge what the overall demand could have been since Ferrari creates an artificial one with low production numbers.

Meanwhile, for how great the NSX was, sales were never really all that impressive. Even though they had a far better product, the market didn't really care and the end result was the 355F1, 360 Modena etc.... In the end the NSX only has 270hp / 210lb/ft or torque. Not exactly a Ferrari killer, even if that Ferrari is the 348. You completely missed the point about how a new competitor to the market helped, not hurt, the established player in the market. Now long term, had the 348's replacement not been much if any of an improvement......that's a different story.

Sure, you are trying to argue Tesla would be better off without any competition, ever, since they would then receive 100% of every EV car sales. Such an argument is silly since it's unrealistic. Again back to my example Ferrari hoping every other team stays home so they can win the F1 championship. Well duh, no kidding, but it doesn't work that way. It seems you are basing your opinion on the idea Tesla could coast forever on what they have if it were not for all that damn competition. That again is an unrealistic suggestion. Even without competition they still need to continue to improve the product, but again a moot point since there will always be competition.......non EV cars. Each market does not exist in a vacuum, they are all roped in together.

Right now Tesla needs more competition to strengthen the market, how they fair in the future with that competition will remain to be seen. Long term there isn't much of a future for Tesla if EV adoption stays flat or starts to falter.

 

I agree with this, and this thread is a good example of why. Almost all of the complaints or anxieties here about the EV portion of the car are about charging on long distance drive, which is probably one of the rarest niche cases these cars are involved in. 98% of all drives in the US are under 50 miles, and 99% are under 70 miles. I don't have any references for under 300 miles, but the curve predicts that it's a tiny fraction of a percent. It's so rare that the 1-2 times a year you need to exceed the range, it's interesting to go use a supercharger just to see what it's like.

Anecdotally, my own driving distance experience matches this, and the questions I get from random folks asking me about the car usually imply range anxiety as well. The takeaway is that there is genuine interest in EV's but some concerns that are understandable but frankly not well founded. I usually tell them the car is like their cell phone, just plug it in at night and wake up with a full charge, much easier and quicker than dealing with gas stations. Imagine your phone could hold a charge for a week, but you had to drive to some grubby public station to recharge it. That usually gets a light bulb going off.

So the more EV's on the road, the less folks will worry about this non-issue. And if you truly need to drive a long way, take your other car, or splurge on a luxury rental with unlimited miles, you can more than pay for it with gas savings.

 

I agree with Pete that the issue people talk about with Tesla is range and that is an uncommon issue in daily uses. I think more people are turned off by Tesla because:

1. Until the $60k Tesla 3 comes along, the S and the X are all 6-figure cars. A high % of car buyers simply are NOT in a position to buy a 6-figure EV and still have an ICE car as a back-up for road trip purposes. Even at $60k, not many can own the 3 and still have another car at home.
2. Common folks view Tesla owners (S and X owners) as snobbish green elitists who virtue signal their wealth and environmental superiority buying a 6-figure toy just to show how the rich 1% lives. Not much different than the stereo-typing associated with Vette and Porsche owners.

CP