2016 991.1 C4GTS MANUAL *HIGH SPEC*
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Don't mix things up. This car IS desirable, people have comments on the price because for 20k more you get a 991.2 GT3 manual. 4WD or RWD depends on where you live. This can be a perfect driver in colder climate.
I have the RWD version of this, and I would take a manual NA over PDK any day. If you're comparing this with a Turbo, this isn't the car for you.
OP GLWS.
I have the RWD version of this, and I would take a manual NA over PDK any day. If you're comparing this with a Turbo, this isn't the car for you.
OP GLWS.
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I have the same car. 4GTS 7MT. The AWD is not obtrusive at all, brings the car to a mid engine balance but you can still feel the rear 911 weight bias just enough to know your in a 911 without the snap oversteer on lift. Engine sounds epic and pulls all the at to redline. Last and most power NA flat six to go into a non GT car. This is the ultimate daily driver 911.
I’ve been considering selling for a 991.2 or 997.2 GT3 but it’s a tough choice considering the daily accessibility of the 4GTS.
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I’ve been considering selling for a 991.2 or 997.2 GT3 but it’s a tough choice considering the daily accessibility of the 4GTS.
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OP has not posted in a few months. Did this car actually sell? I probably will be selling mine in the next month. '16 GTS 7spd carmine red w 18K miles. I can't imagine its worth $160 but maybe 120-125? Would love to know what I should ask. JSheen if you see this you could PM me. Thanks.
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OP has not posted in a few months. Did this car actually sell? I probably will be selling mine in the next month. '16 GTS 7spd carmine red w 18K miles. I can't imagine its worth $160 but maybe 120-125? Would love to know what I should ask. JSheen if you see this you could PM me. Thanks.
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OP has not posted in a few months. Did this car actually sell? I probably will be selling mine in the next month. '16 GTS 7spd carmine red w 18K miles. I can't imagine its worth $160 but maybe 120-125? Would love to know what I should ask. JSheen if you see this you could PM me. Thanks.
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OP has not posted in a few months. Did this car actually sell? I probably will be selling mine in the next month. '16 GTS 7spd carmine red w 18K miles. I can't imagine its worth $160 but maybe 120-125? Would love to know what I should ask. JSheen if you see this you could PM me. Thanks.
- Silver/red with 24k miles, sport design package asking $150k. It's been for sale for a looooong time.
- White/black, 11k miles, sport design, ceramics $135k. (this one is my favorite)
- White/black 18k miles, 5 lugs, no heated seats $125k.
- The 2015 cab, 32k miles, $111k.
Here's my rough math. I had a 2015 GTS cab, 7 spd., mileage was 23k IIRC, nicely loaded with a MSRP of $154k. I sold it in the fall of 2019 for $96k. (yeah, bad timing before Covid). Most 2015 GTSs were around 95-100k and 2016s about $100-110k before covid IIRC. Assuming the average Covid 25% increase they were bumped up and selling for $120-$135k maybe a bit more for something super loaded but now the prices have softened - maybe 10% or more. IMO, I'd expect a listing price of $125k is probably reasonable and most would actually sell in the $115-$120k range depending on options/miles. Yes, the manual GTS is super rare but not as desirable as the GT cars. I love the 2015-2016 GTS and am starting to look at picking one up but I still think the prices will keep dropping on them. The 2017-2018 GTS can be easily found in the $125-$135 range. I know it's apples/oranges with the NA/turbo charged discussion but 1-2 years newer and more hp/tq for similar $ makes the 2016 not as attractive unless someone really wants the NA engine (which I can understand). Anyway, that my $0.02
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^^Really appreciate the thoughts you guys and your analysis above MFank. I'd probably sell it for a little less than the max price if I thought it was going to a good home like a fellow Rennlister. I had a 2005 C2S before this car that I sold to a Rennlister in TX and we kept in touch for a long time. I guess we have totally highjacked JSheen's sale thread but it appears he is gone
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I use auto tempest and on any given day, for the last 4 yrs, there have been fewer than 5 Manual .1GTS cars on all platforms combined.
made .1 4GTS or targa to the search and there are still less than 5-7 cars in the whole country at any given time. Even in those search results I often find 1-2 PDK cars mislabeled as Manual
i spend 8 months searching for mine, running a search morning lunch and before bed. Either the production numbers are very low ( some say around 20% of .1 C2 GTS were manual) or owners are keeping theirs.
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I use auto tempest and on any given day, for the last 4 yrs, there have been fewer than 5 Manual .1GTS cars on all platforms combined.
made .1 4GTS or targa to the search and there are still less than 5-7 cars in the whole country at any given time. Even in those search results I often find 1-2 PDK cars mislabeled as Manual
i spend 8 months searching for mine, running a search morning lunch and before bed. Either the production numbers are very low ( some say around 20% of .1 C2 GTS were manual) or owners are keeping theirs.
made .1 4GTS or targa to the search and there are still less than 5-7 cars in the whole country at any given time. Even in those search results I often find 1-2 PDK cars mislabeled as Manual
i spend 8 months searching for mine, running a search morning lunch and before bed. Either the production numbers are very low ( some say around 20% of .1 C2 GTS were manual) or owners are keeping theirs.
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There are 1200 ish 991.1 C2GTS, and less than 200 C4GTS, about half are manuals. Even without these production numbers, at the current market it's 50% of a 991 GT3 touring price, you get 80% of the GT3 touring experience. I would say price of these cars would be pretty stable at 50% discount of 991 GT3 Touring for a long time: I don't see any good .1 GTS manual ever drop under 100k - 130k.
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There are 1200 ish 991.1 C2GTS, and less than 200 C4GTS, about half are manuals. Even without these production numbers, at the current market it's 50% of a 991 GT3 touring price, you get 80% of the GT3 touring experience. I would say price of these cars would be pretty stable at 50% discount of 991 GT3 Touring for a long time: I don't see any good .1 GTS manual ever drop under 100k - 130k.
That GT3 Touring analogy is SPOT ON and exactly the criteria I used when I decided against going all in on a GT3 Touring. For 50% of GT3 touring, .1 Manual C2 GTS is 80% the car.. well said
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Yea I saw the ad and thought the price was crazy. I shouldn't talk smack about another person's ad I suppose. It's not "high spec" given the sticker was $143,690. Nice car, but to ask over sticker even in December was very hopeful. I just bought a CPO C4 GTS coupe with factory ducktail, PDK, 16k miles for $114k. I really dig the awd and have a 997.2 GT3 for weekend fun. Second awd Porsche I've owned and it is really bad-***.
True a 991.2 would have so much more torque down low but I enjoy keeping the engine on the pipe when I'm having fun. It's plenty of power for me. All I need. If I want torque my Alfa has gobs.
True a 991.2 would have so much more torque down low but I enjoy keeping the engine on the pipe when I'm having fun. It's plenty of power for me. All I need. If I want torque my Alfa has gobs.
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This is a very helpful thread. I recently started my search for a 2015-2016 manual GTS. It will be my first 911. As such I am new to Rennlist and don't have the privilege to DM yet. But I am interested in hearing more about your car if you think you will be selling it. Many thanks, Jason