'18 Macan GTS first 1000 miles
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I am so tempted to trade my Cayenne GTS for a Macan GTS. The two things holding me back are the insane V8sound I’d miss, and the reduced cargo space. Everything else is so much better with the Macan.
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I agree the V8 in our 14 CGTS was amazing sounding and the added space will be missed but despite that the Macan GTS is quicker ride is superior and much more fun to drive and sound is not so bad considering.
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Regarding adding the Sports + button after delivery: 1) All Macan's have a clock on the dash, so you're stuck with the "wort" regardless. 2) I did it on a 987.2 PDK, but the main reason was to get the Sports button, not the Sports + button, which was standard on later cars (and all Macans) - no buttons meant the car was always in ECON mode. 3) I never used the Sports + button, nor launch control - I'm a fan of "de-rating" my drivetrains for longevity's sake.
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Regarding adding the Sports + button after delivery: 1) All Macan's have a clock on the dash, so you're stuck with the "wort" regardless. 2) I did it on a 987.2 PDK, but the main reason was to get the Sports button, not the Sports + button, which was standard on later cars (and all Macans) - no buttons meant the car was always in ECON mode. 3) I never used the Sports + button, nor launch control - I'm a fan of "de-rating" my drivetrains for longevity's sake.
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Based on the great info in this thread, I inquired about adding the sport chrono to an 18 GTS. The dealer said it could be done for around $1,500 installed. Does that sound about right?
Also will the dealer installed version be as capable as the factory sport chrono? I am especially interested in the tighter handling.
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Also will the dealer installed version be as capable as the factory sport chrono? I am especially interested in the tighter handling.
Thanks
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I think, after putting another 1000kms on my Macan GTS post break-in, that the SPORTS+ is icing in the cake.
No, I will not use it "around town", but it takes the vehicle to another level of performance and increases the fun factor times two.
The Porsche Instructor driver told me that they flog the Macans on a daily basis on the Leipzig track. They are engineered to take the "abuse" of hard driving. Apart from the obvious wear items that will be replaced more frequently, the car's longevity is not affected by driving it within the parameters it was designed to operate.
No, I would not attempt 50 Launch Control orgasms in a row, nor the natural kind, either.
Babying these cars is unnecessary, according to the guy who drives them daily on an FIA-certified track and an off road course engineered to test the absolute edge of the vehicles envelope. Many, if not most, of the Macan sales are in China. Some are rarely driven on paved roads- because there just aren't many of them outside of major cities. Those are the customers the Macan was designed to satisfy, according to him.
I thrashed my brand new Macan GTS on Tuscan gravel and rock roads, 3 Alpine switchback passes, secondary road sweepers, auto bahn and strada... from creeping at 5kph over steep rock paths (to spare the 20" wheels from damage) to hour-long 220kph autobahn blasts. The Air Suspension, PTM, PASM, PTV+ and PDK all work together in harmony like no vehicle I have owned. A real "Swiss Army knife car", for lack of a better term.
All that said, check out the BMW M6M dominating a Macan turbo, a Cayenne turbo S and a Maserati Levante S on the Ring:
No, I will not use it "around town", but it takes the vehicle to another level of performance and increases the fun factor times two.
The Porsche Instructor driver told me that they flog the Macans on a daily basis on the Leipzig track. They are engineered to take the "abuse" of hard driving. Apart from the obvious wear items that will be replaced more frequently, the car's longevity is not affected by driving it within the parameters it was designed to operate.
No, I would not attempt 50 Launch Control orgasms in a row, nor the natural kind, either.
Babying these cars is unnecessary, according to the guy who drives them daily on an FIA-certified track and an off road course engineered to test the absolute edge of the vehicles envelope. Many, if not most, of the Macan sales are in China. Some are rarely driven on paved roads- because there just aren't many of them outside of major cities. Those are the customers the Macan was designed to satisfy, according to him.
I thrashed my brand new Macan GTS on Tuscan gravel and rock roads, 3 Alpine switchback passes, secondary road sweepers, auto bahn and strada... from creeping at 5kph over steep rock paths (to spare the 20" wheels from damage) to hour-long 220kph autobahn blasts. The Air Suspension, PTM, PASM, PTV+ and PDK all work together in harmony like no vehicle I have owned. A real "Swiss Army knife car", for lack of a better term.
All that said, check out the BMW M6M dominating a Macan turbo, a Cayenne turbo S and a Maserati Levante S on the Ring:
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There weren't many GTS's to compare. A lot of base, S and turbo's though. One of the first things I noticed when driving the different 17 left overs some did not have the clock but all of the 18's I see in inventory seem to have them. {Porsche configurator shows each model without and when you add sport chrono it the clock appears) but this could be from earlier MY and they never changed it.
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Replies to several of the above posts, unquoted due to the fact that editor UI is broken on iOS 10:
IIRC, there's a compass option that adds a wart to the dash.
Pretty sure Sport Chrono is - on the 95B - 100% software other than the wart and button. On 981/991, SC includes dynamic drivetrain mounts which are, again IIRC, not part of a dealer retrofit.
Love the green.
Interesting to see yet more 928ers adding a 95B to the fleet. Yes, better engine 'subjectives' would be nice. The Audi-DNA'd V6 isn't the smoothest engine ever, but it's far better than most modern DFI engines (that feel and sound like a box of rocks.)
Suspension in "+" mode along with air suspension on low is witchcraft.
IIRC, there's a compass option that adds a wart to the dash.
Pretty sure Sport Chrono is - on the 95B - 100% software other than the wart and button. On 981/991, SC includes dynamic drivetrain mounts which are, again IIRC, not part of a dealer retrofit.
Love the green.
Interesting to see yet more 928ers adding a 95B to the fleet. Yes, better engine 'subjectives' would be nice. The Audi-DNA'd V6 isn't the smoothest engine ever, but it's far better than most modern DFI engines (that feel and sound like a box of rocks.)
Suspension in "+" mode along with air suspension on low is witchcraft.
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I read on another thread you can add the SC with OEM software and Button for less $ than if you ordered it on a new car.
My 997 GTS MT had it installed by a dealer after manufacture, so it has no dash wart (which I prefer). It is on Sunset Porsche's website, for about $900, plus installation labor.
On a MT 997, it changes the throttle travel (50% down is 100% wide open), so it is a lot more sensitive for heel and toeing, and widens the operating envelope before the PSM (stability management) activates.
On a PDK 997, the above applies, and you also get Launch Control and a more aggressive shift mapping program that changes gear at, or close to, redline. It is about $1300 (plus install labor) for the PDK SC upgrade.
It is available for the Macan on the Sunset Porsche website for $765 (plus 2-3 hours install at a Porsche dealer).
My 997 GTS MT had it installed by a dealer after manufacture, so it has no dash wart (which I prefer). It is on Sunset Porsche's website, for about $900, plus installation labor.
On a MT 997, it changes the throttle travel (50% down is 100% wide open), so it is a lot more sensitive for heel and toeing, and widens the operating envelope before the PSM (stability management) activates.
On a PDK 997, the above applies, and you also get Launch Control and a more aggressive shift mapping program that changes gear at, or close to, redline. It is about $1300 (plus install labor) for the PDK SC upgrade.
It is available for the Macan on the Sunset Porsche website for $765 (plus 2-3 hours install at a Porsche dealer).
Replies to several of the above posts, unquoted due to the fact that editor UI is broken on iOS 10:
IIRC, there's a compass option that adds a wart to the dash.
Pretty sure Sport Chrono is - on the 95B - 100% software other than the wart and button. On 981/991, SC includes dynamic drivetrain mounts which are, again IIRC, not part of a dealer retrofit.
Love the green.
Interesting to see yet more 928ers adding a 95B to the fleet. Yes, better engine 'subjectives' would be nice. The Audi-DNA'd V6 isn't the smoothest engine ever, but it's far better than most modern DFI engines (that feel and sound like a box of rocks.)
Suspension in "+" mode along with air suspension on low is witchcraft.
IIRC, there's a compass option that adds a wart to the dash.
Pretty sure Sport Chrono is - on the 95B - 100% software other than the wart and button. On 981/991, SC includes dynamic drivetrain mounts which are, again IIRC, not part of a dealer retrofit.
Love the green.
Interesting to see yet more 928ers adding a 95B to the fleet. Yes, better engine 'subjectives' would be nice. The Audi-DNA'd V6 isn't the smoothest engine ever, but it's far better than most modern DFI engines (that feel and sound like a box of rocks.)
Suspension in "+" mode along with air suspension on low is witchcraft.
Anyone have subsequent electronic or other difficulties after post-build install?
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Does the Macan without the Sport chrono come with the suspension stiffness button? When In sport mode the button lights up 1 indicator for the firmer setting and two for the Sport + in the firmest setting. So you should be able to stay in sport or basic setting and select the stiffest suspension setting if you desire. I also run in the lowered setting all the time and the GTS runs slightly lower than the other models.
It would be nice if they would reprogram the diamond button on teh steering wheel so you can toggle from standard to sport and sport + without having your hands leave the steering wheel. I programmed mine to shut the baffles on the exhaust in case I need to seem less conspicuous quickly.
It would be nice if they would reprogram the diamond button on teh steering wheel so you can toggle from standard to sport and sport + without having your hands leave the steering wheel. I programmed mine to shut the baffles on the exhaust in case I need to seem less conspicuous quickly.
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On longevity: As I see it, most people are not surprised if a drivetrain component needs a replacement or rebuild between 100K and 200K miles. Wear and tear. Use two other mileage numbers if you prefer, A and B.
Now, what determines when your components wear out, nearer to A or to B? Not just one factor, for sure, but how the car is driven is certainly one of them.
Note that reciprocating loads increase by the square of RPM. My "derating" is not babying; it is being conscious of the sharply rising part of the curve, as well as considering off-design situations, like a cold engine, that may not be tested thoroughly (imagine the expense of doing 3650 cold starts). The concept of derating comes from the jet engine business- the manufacturer sells you the same engine, but you pay less because the performance guarantee and warranty service will cost them less.
Those who lease cars need not care, of course. A Porsche driving instructor need not care. Someone buying a used car will care a great deal. "Never tracked" is often mentioned as a selling point in ads for used Porsches.
That said, everyone is free to use their cars as they wish. No matter how you drive them, they don't last forever. Use them up quickly, use them up slowly - both are valid choices.
Now, what determines when your components wear out, nearer to A or to B? Not just one factor, for sure, but how the car is driven is certainly one of them.
Note that reciprocating loads increase by the square of RPM. My "derating" is not babying; it is being conscious of the sharply rising part of the curve, as well as considering off-design situations, like a cold engine, that may not be tested thoroughly (imagine the expense of doing 3650 cold starts). The concept of derating comes from the jet engine business- the manufacturer sells you the same engine, but you pay less because the performance guarantee and warranty service will cost them less.
Those who lease cars need not care, of course. A Porsche driving instructor need not care. Someone buying a used car will care a great deal. "Never tracked" is often mentioned as a selling point in ads for used Porsches.
That said, everyone is free to use their cars as they wish. No matter how you drive them, they don't last forever. Use them up quickly, use them up slowly - both are valid choices.
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Does the Macan without the Sport chrono come with the suspension stiffness button? When In sport mode the button lights up 1 indicator for the firmer setting and two for the Sport + in the firmest setting. So you should be able to stay in sport or basic setting and select the stiffest suspension setting if you desire. I also run in the lowered setting all the time and the GTS runs slightly lower than the other models.
It would be nice if they would reprogram the diamond button on teh steering wheel so you can toggle from standard to sport and sport + without having your hands leave the steering wheel. I programmed mine to shut the baffles on the exhaust in case I need to seem less conspicuous quickly.
It would be nice if they would reprogram the diamond button on teh steering wheel so you can toggle from standard to sport and sport + without having your hands leave the steering wheel. I programmed mine to shut the baffles on the exhaust in case I need to seem less conspicuous quickly.