Macan EV: Who is leasing vs buying?
#121
Thank you! If I got it right:
Option A / Buy outright
Cost is $127,127 with tax included.
Option B / Lease over 36 months
- Cost of the lease is $55,000 + 36*$600 = $76,600
- Residual being $61k, cost of the car if purchased at the end of the lease would be $137,600 (+ the tax on the residual)
That means leasing to the buy is over $10k more expensive than buying cash, and I imagine the numbers you’ve shared take into account the $7.5k EV incentive right?
Option A / Buy outright
Cost is $127,127 with tax included.
Option B / Lease over 36 months
- Cost of the lease is $55,000 + 36*$600 = $76,600
- Residual being $61k, cost of the car if purchased at the end of the lease would be $137,600 (+ the tax on the residual)
That means leasing to the buy is over $10k more expensive than buying cash, and I imagine the numbers you’ve shared take into account the $7.5k EV incentive right?
And in my case (I'll use the car as my daily), I'll pay 0.30 per additional mile if I decide to return it after 3 years: 12500*3*0.3=11250
So, the purchase is the way better solution for me.
Last edited by MadDima; 09-14-2024 at 10:59 AM.
#122
Decision time...expecting delivery this week as I have one of the first 3 at my dealership and it showed up this weekend!
Spec: https://configurator.porsche.com/porsche-code/PSC3DBP7
MSRP: $96,020
Option 1 (Loan)
Term: 60-mo
Rate: 6.99%
Trade Allowance: $10,237
Delivered Price (incl. taxes + fees): $90,817.74
Downpayment: $10,000
Monthly Payment: $1,599.78
Total Cost: $116,223.8
Option 2 (Lease)
Term: 39-mo @ 7.5k miles/year
Trade Allowance: $10,237
Downpayment: $5,000
EV Rebate: $7,500
Residual: $55,691.60
Monthly Payment: $1,216.19
Total Cost over lease term: $62,668
Total Cost with buyout at lease-end: $118,359
$2k extra for lease doesn't seem that bad. Especially if I'm not sold on holding it longer than 3 years.
Spec: https://configurator.porsche.com/porsche-code/PSC3DBP7
MSRP: $96,020
Option 1 (Loan)
Term: 60-mo
Rate: 6.99%
Trade Allowance: $10,237
Delivered Price (incl. taxes + fees): $90,817.74
Downpayment: $10,000
Monthly Payment: $1,599.78
Total Cost: $116,223.8
Option 2 (Lease)
Term: 39-mo @ 7.5k miles/year
Trade Allowance: $10,237
Downpayment: $5,000
EV Rebate: $7,500
Residual: $55,691.60
Monthly Payment: $1,216.19
Total Cost over lease term: $62,668
Total Cost with buyout at lease-end: $118,359
$2k extra for lease doesn't seem that bad. Especially if I'm not sold on holding it longer than 3 years.
#123
Decision time...expecting delivery this week as I have one of the first 3 at my dealership and it showed up this weekend!
Spec: https://configurator.porsche.com/porsche-code/PSC3DBP7
MSRP: $96,020
Option 1 (Loan)
Term: 60-mo
Rate: 6.99%
Trade Allowance: $10,237
Delivered Price (incl. taxes + fees): $90,817.74
Downpayment: $10,000
Monthly Payment: $1,599.78
Total Cost: $116,223.8
Option 2 (Lease)
Term: 39-mo @ 7.5k miles/year
Trade Allowance: $10,237
Downpayment: $5,000
EV Rebate: $7,500
Residual: $55,691.60
Monthly Payment: $1,216.19
Total Cost over lease term: $62,668
Total Cost with buyout at lease-end: $118,359
$2k extra for lease doesn't seem that bad. Especially if I'm not sold on holding it longer than 3 years.
Spec: https://configurator.porsche.com/porsche-code/PSC3DBP7
MSRP: $96,020
Option 1 (Loan)
Term: 60-mo
Rate: 6.99%
Trade Allowance: $10,237
Delivered Price (incl. taxes + fees): $90,817.74
Downpayment: $10,000
Monthly Payment: $1,599.78
Total Cost: $116,223.8
Option 2 (Lease)
Term: 39-mo @ 7.5k miles/year
Trade Allowance: $10,237
Downpayment: $5,000
EV Rebate: $7,500
Residual: $55,691.60
Monthly Payment: $1,216.19
Total Cost over lease term: $62,668
Total Cost with buyout at lease-end: $118,359
$2k extra for lease doesn't seem that bad. Especially if I'm not sold on holding it longer than 3 years.
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PSPJames (09-15-2024)
#124
yes definitely lease, might be underwater on loan in 5 years!
Take a look at Taycan examples: https://www.autoevolution.com/news/u...ry-239798.html
Take a look at Taycan examples: https://www.autoevolution.com/news/u...ry-239798.html
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redtanrt10 (09-22-2024)
#125
Decision time...expecting delivery this week as I have one of the first 3 at my dealership and it showed up this weekend!
Spec: https://configurator.porsche.com/porsche-code/PSC3DBP7
MSRP: $96,020
Option 1 (Loan)
Term: 60-mo
Rate: 6.99%
Trade Allowance: $10,237
Delivered Price (incl. taxes + fees): $90,817.74
Downpayment: $10,000
Monthly Payment: $1,599.78
Total Cost: $116,223.8
Option 2 (Lease)
Term: 39-mo @ 7.5k miles/year
Trade Allowance: $10,237
Downpayment: $5,000
EV Rebate: $7,500
Residual: $55,691.60
Monthly Payment: $1,216.19
Total Cost over lease term: $62,668
Total Cost with buyout at lease-end: $118,359
$2k extra for lease doesn't seem that bad. Especially if I'm not sold on holding it longer than 3 years.
Spec: https://configurator.porsche.com/porsche-code/PSC3DBP7
MSRP: $96,020
Option 1 (Loan)
Term: 60-mo
Rate: 6.99%
Trade Allowance: $10,237
Delivered Price (incl. taxes + fees): $90,817.74
Downpayment: $10,000
Monthly Payment: $1,599.78
Total Cost: $116,223.8
Option 2 (Lease)
Term: 39-mo @ 7.5k miles/year
Trade Allowance: $10,237
Downpayment: $5,000
EV Rebate: $7,500
Residual: $55,691.60
Monthly Payment: $1,216.19
Total Cost over lease term: $62,668
Total Cost with buyout at lease-end: $118,359
$2k extra for lease doesn't seem that bad. Especially if I'm not sold on holding it longer than 3 years.
Also, I think you still may need to factor in taxes on the buyout at the end of the lease, which would increase the difference a bit.
Last edited by driege; 09-15-2024 at 07:36 PM.
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ToasterThief (09-21-2024)
#126
This looks like a decent lease deal compared to most I've seen. What's the money factor? I think part of the reason the lease looks competitive with buying is that 6.99% isn't a great interest rate for a loan. If that's what Porsche is offering directly, you can probably do 2 - 2.5% better elsewhere (Navy Federal Credit Union is advertising as low as 4.49% on 60 month leases if you have excellent credit).
Also, I think you still may need to factor in taxes on the buyout at the end of the lease, which would increase the difference a bit.
Also, I think you still may need to factor in taxes on the buyout at the end of the lease, which would increase the difference a bit.
The interest rate I listed is what Porsche is offering direct right now. Shopping around for sure could bring that down a few %.
#129
#131
Decision time...expecting delivery this week as I have one of the first 3 at my dealership and it showed up this weekend!
Spec: https://configurator.porsche.com/porsche-code/PSC3DBP7
MSRP: $96,020
Option 1 (Loan)
Term: 60-mo
Rate: 6.99%
Trade Allowance: $10,237
Delivered Price (incl. taxes + fees): $90,817.74
Downpayment: $10,000
Monthly Payment: $1,599.78
Total Cost: $116,223.8
Option 2 (Lease)
Term: 39-mo @ 7.5k miles/year
Trade Allowance: $10,237
Downpayment: $5,000
EV Rebate: $7,500
Residual: $55,691.60
Monthly Payment: $1,216.19
Total Cost over lease term: $62,668
Total Cost with buyout at lease-end: $118,359
$2k extra for lease doesn't seem that bad. Especially if I'm not sold on holding it longer than 3 years.
Spec: https://configurator.porsche.com/porsche-code/PSC3DBP7
MSRP: $96,020
Option 1 (Loan)
Term: 60-mo
Rate: 6.99%
Trade Allowance: $10,237
Delivered Price (incl. taxes + fees): $90,817.74
Downpayment: $10,000
Monthly Payment: $1,599.78
Total Cost: $116,223.8
Option 2 (Lease)
Term: 39-mo @ 7.5k miles/year
Trade Allowance: $10,237
Downpayment: $5,000
EV Rebate: $7,500
Residual: $55,691.60
Monthly Payment: $1,216.19
Total Cost over lease term: $62,668
Total Cost with buyout at lease-end: $118,359
$2k extra for lease doesn't seem that bad. Especially if I'm not sold on holding it longer than 3 years.
#132
I haven't posted on this thread in a few weeks.
The example 997cabguy posted is a good real world comparison.
The lease might have a slight $ disadvantage if you compare the all-in cost to the Porsche residual at nearly 60% will be correct. (accurate) The reality is that based on current trends for EV's, that residual is highly optimistic. The cash or finance buyers who own a Macan EV worth $40k plus in 3 years will wish they had leased.
No offense to the Macan EV, the EV market is soft and market share is stuck at 7-8% with massive incentives in place for the past 6-9 months. Future EV's will be priced cheaper so the market can grow. And 3 years from now battery cost and range will be much improved. Best wishes to all.
The example 997cabguy posted is a good real world comparison.
The lease might have a slight $ disadvantage if you compare the all-in cost to the Porsche residual at nearly 60% will be correct. (accurate) The reality is that based on current trends for EV's, that residual is highly optimistic. The cash or finance buyers who own a Macan EV worth $40k plus in 3 years will wish they had leased.
No offense to the Macan EV, the EV market is soft and market share is stuck at 7-8% with massive incentives in place for the past 6-9 months. Future EV's will be priced cheaper so the market can grow. And 3 years from now battery cost and range will be much improved. Best wishes to all.
#133
I haven't posted on this thread in a few weeks.
The example 997cabguy posted is a good real world comparison.
The lease might have a slight $ disadvantage if you compare the all-in cost to the Porsche residual at nearly 60% will be correct. (accurate) The reality is that based on current trends for EV's, that residual is highly optimistic. The cash or finance buyers who own a Macan EV worth $40k plus in 3 years will wish they had leased.
No offense to the Macan EV, the EV market is soft and market share is stuck at 7-8% with massive incentives in place for the past 6-9 months. Future EV's will be priced cheaper so the market can grow. And 3 years from now battery cost and range will be much improved. Best wishes to all.
The example 997cabguy posted is a good real world comparison.
The lease might have a slight $ disadvantage if you compare the all-in cost to the Porsche residual at nearly 60% will be correct. (accurate) The reality is that based on current trends for EV's, that residual is highly optimistic. The cash or finance buyers who own a Macan EV worth $40k plus in 3 years will wish they had leased.
No offense to the Macan EV, the EV market is soft and market share is stuck at 7-8% with massive incentives in place for the past 6-9 months. Future EV's will be priced cheaper so the market can grow. And 3 years from now battery cost and range will be much improved. Best wishes to all.
#134
I haven't posted on this thread in a few weeks.
The example 997cabguy posted is a good real world comparison.
The lease might have a slight $ disadvantage if you compare the all-in cost to the Porsche residual at nearly 60% will be correct. (accurate) The reality is that based on current trends for EV's, that residual is highly optimistic. The cash or finance buyers who own a Macan EV worth $40k plus in 3 years will wish they had leased.
No offense to the Macan EV, the EV market is soft and market share is stuck at 7-8% with massive incentives in place for the past 6-9 months. Future EV's will be priced cheaper so the market can grow. And 3 years from now battery cost and range will be much improved. Best wishes to all.
The example 997cabguy posted is a good real world comparison.
The lease might have a slight $ disadvantage if you compare the all-in cost to the Porsche residual at nearly 60% will be correct. (accurate) The reality is that based on current trends for EV's, that residual is highly optimistic. The cash or finance buyers who own a Macan EV worth $40k plus in 3 years will wish they had leased.
No offense to the Macan EV, the EV market is soft and market share is stuck at 7-8% with massive incentives in place for the past 6-9 months. Future EV's will be priced cheaper so the market can grow. And 3 years from now battery cost and range will be much improved. Best wishes to all.
For scenario A, even with the $7.5k credit and interest on unspent cash, the car would need to depreciate an extra $15k-20k vs residual for the lease to break even with a cash purchase/resell.
If someone doesn’t want to gamble on the steepness of the depreciation curve, and ultimately doesn’t care to keep the car, a lease may indeed be a decent option.
For option B however, the carrot of the $7.5k incentive is only making Porsche richer. It will cost the buyer an extra 5 digits to lease-to-buy vs just bringing a bag of cash.
Lastly, I agree with you that EV overall (at least entry level) will be cheaper in the future and tech/battery/range will improve.
I however do not expect Porsche to lower their prices, it’s a premium/luxury/sports brand. If anything, they will get more expensive: just look at the Taycan at launch and Taycan v1.2.
But just like the new Taycan, they’ll have more bells and whistles and range to go with their higher price tag.
Last edited by tmrqs; 09-23-2024 at 01:52 PM.