Does anybody here wrench on their cars??
03-26-2007, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by GhettoRacer
playing around in my dad's little hair dryer factory in Taipei, Taiwan... 
I manage to blow someone 
I manage to blow someone pardon??
03-26-2007, 06:38 PM
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Curiously, how old are you Nathan? And what Porsche's to do own/wrench on? I like the older 911's a lot more than the new... they were far more pure back in the days. I just had an interesting conversation with my engineer about One Lap of America (we're running del Sol in the alternative fuel class)... we're converting the fuel system to run on propane. 
done by AKMEE Engineering of course [insert funny joke if you like].
Anyhooo, some how the topic got into why cars just keep on getting heavier and fatter in America (this is from a discussion I joined on an Engineering forum). Then we talked about the evolution of Z in American. The first Z was around 1969-1972. It was 2.4 liter inline 6, about 160 bhp and 2100 lbs. By the last version of the Z, it went up to about 2.8 (or was it 2.6?) liter and 135 bhp, and about 2600 lbs... yet the later version were sold in far greater numbers than the forum "pure" versions.
You examine Porsche 911's evolution and you can see a similar pattern. The car get heavier and heavier all the times. The true purists are low in numbers. Most Americans [ok MarkD, insert your stupid racist comments here] want creature comfort and also the Government likes to insist on bumper stands and other [arguable] stupid things like airbags...
done by AKMEE Engineering of course [insert funny joke if you like].Anyhooo, some how the topic got into why cars just keep on getting heavier and fatter in America (this is from a discussion I joined on an Engineering forum). Then we talked about the evolution of Z in American. The first Z was around 1969-1972. It was 2.4 liter inline 6, about 160 bhp and 2100 lbs. By the last version of the Z, it went up to about 2.8 (or was it 2.6?) liter and 135 bhp, and about 2600 lbs... yet the later version were sold in far greater numbers than the forum "pure" versions.
You examine Porsche 911's evolution and you can see a similar pattern. The car get heavier and heavier all the times. The true purists are low in numbers. Most Americans [ok MarkD, insert your stupid racist comments here] want creature comfort and also the Government likes to insist on bumper stands and other [arguable] stupid things like airbags...
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Yo DUMB DUNG, take a look at the weight increase of the ****-box HonDUHs from their first, early cars. Why are the Japanese so stupid???????????????????
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you make no sense bull****. if you want to have an intelligent conversation please cite specific examples. otherwise you just look like a complete idiot who is full of bull****. otherwise, STFU.
03-26-2007, 09:08 PM
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Here is a specific example of your hopeless stupidity
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi all, first let me apologize to anyone that doesn't think this
post really need to be public. As many of you know, I usually
talk liberally with out given much thought about the possible
repercussion of the stuff I write. Some times the things I
talk about come off with a wrong effect, or things get taken
way out of context. Sometimes I just hit send way to fast
with out proof reading or second thoughts. I've explained
before that being an internet veteran (over 11 years), I
don't take it all that seriously. I always give people the
benefit of doubt, and talk to them in person. But I guess I
can't expect everyone to return the same favor since the net is
a more public than ever.
I'm posting this primarily to the Rennlist road race board,
TracQuest board, and the PDC list. Some of you might remember
in late 2002 I got into some online debates about DE's in
general, the subject of what is 10/10th, and driving students
cars. Apparently, many people came off with the impression
that I abuse students cars, or worse, I intimidate student into
handing me their keys. Some of the people that were getting
into the debates with me aren't my students. Many don't even
know me at all. In one thread there was a case of my student
responding. He actually came to my defense. I instructed him
for couple of sessions, and I felt that if I could drive his car
for few easy laps (I had only planned to 5/10th laps in that
particular case for couple of reasons), it would really help him a
lot. However, the rapport was not quite good enough, he did not
feel comfortable with my suggestion. But he certainly didn't
have any problems of me asking. In particular, there was one
poster named SeriousRacer that was talking some serious trash,
but did not have the guts to reveal who he is.
Publicly I also admitted of couple of small incidents of sliding
two cars (E46 M3 and Z06 Vette) at a decent speed. I originally
talked about the sliding to illustrate the importance of
communication with student while driving their car. The sliding
were caused by my driving error while doing about 8.5/10th laps,
not full speed laps. The students didn't have any real problems
as I had kept them informed through out the process, and I also
slowed down a notch to explain why even at 8.5/10th, some small
mistakes can cause the car to step out. But with appropriate
corrections, it can be saved with out much drama. However,
that posting seem to be the primarily reason that some have
perceived that I overdrive students car all the times. So for
the past few months, I tried not to talk about what I get to
drive... but occasionally I still can't help to enthusiastically
share some of the cool vehicles that I get to experience. Some
people seem to have constantly questioned over the last few months
about my motives of instructing, and they believe I'm a time bomb
waiting to explode - ie, me instructing for their club would be a
liability and that I'm giving instructor bad reps. I feel that is
completely opposite of what my purpose is. And I would like to
use this opportunity to clear it up once and for all. Majority
of the students that I've ever worked with gained some good
perspectives on road racing and we've always had a good time. I'd
like to think myself as an ambassador to the sports... not
someone here to taint it. So if all this is just a perception
that I need to clear up, I hope this post will do it. I suppose
there is a chance that I'm in fact, very disconnected from the
reality... and that I've been doing wrong and harm all this time.
Well if that's the case, I'd like to hear it from the source
directly - the people I've worked with. So here's my request to
all of you I've worked with in the past. Please share your candid
experience of working with me on my guest book.
http://www.ghettoracer.com/cgi-bin/...racer_guestbook
I don't mind public scrutiny, as I have nothing to hide, and I
know my priorities are straight. I would like to explain myself
to the public, and if they don't feel I fit into their program, I
have no problem of them wanting disassociation with me. I'm getting
into private instruction now since my instructing ethics seems to
start to pay off.
My priority for people I work with is simple:
1. Safety first. I use my experience and knowledge to keep my
students safe by providing them guidance and support/feedback in
real time while riding with them.
2. I evaluate what stage the student is at with the learning curve,
and give appropriate inputs. I'm very efficient at it. I have
probably instructed a wider variety of students/cars/clubs than most
instructors in the last 2.5 years. How much the student learns from
me is based on their ability/willingness to listen, and if they're
trying to apply what I'm trying to teach them. I've worked well with
most people, but some people simply to not respond well to my method
of teaching. But as long as they're safe, I feel I've done my job's
number one priority.
3. I explain my teaching philosophy, and give tips on how they can
be a faster and a safer driver at the same time.
4. If things are going well, I usually ask if I may check out their
cars. This takes backseat to the top 3 priority. As much input I
can give them in real time, nothing beats some educational laps. If
it happens, great, if it doesn't, I don't care, it's really the
student's loss, not mine. But I've been granted the privilege of
driving my students' cars with high success. And it is because I'm
doing it right, and NEVER because the simple fact that I'm an
instructor. If you've seen me on track before, you guys know I'm
usually in street cloths, and I don't think I posses the "look" of
an instructor with a lot of credibility. I doubt I can intimidate
student into handing me their keys even if I wanted to. If I wear
the Ferrari Challenge suit all the times, maybe that'll help.
Most of my students are literally all become my friends in some ways.
Majority of them remember me, and I always check their progress from
time to time. I think it is easy for me to bond with them because
the simple fact that we love cars and open tracking. With a common
passion, it's very easy to connect. Helping, and watch them progress
also strengthens the friendship, as we have experienced growth
together. I really enjoy working with people. And I'm constantly
improving my driving skills, people skills, and teaching skills. I
value any and all seat time weather in the drivers seat or passenger
seat. So many days on track, with the exception of lunch and
water/bathroom breaks I'm literally on the track all day long. And
I'm always one of the last cars to leave the track at end of the day.
Here a little bit of my back ground on high performance driving:
- HPDE/open tracking for 7 years, about 130 track days. No actual
wheel 2 wheel race yet, but all the open track has given me a unique
perspective on the learning curve of HP driving. Some times HPDE
environment is extremely close to race conditions and I'm very
comfortable around traffic.
- 2.5 years instructing experience; about 100 days instructing, for
many clubs in California. Clubs such as Audi Club, Honda Hybrids,
NSX, Club, Lotus Club, TracQuest, Motorsports Club of Beverly Hills,
UnlimitedLaps, NASA, ButtonWillow Performance Driving Clinic (CalClub),
SpeedVentures/WurthMotorsports, SpeedTrial USA, NCRC (once),
TrackNutz (once), and few other organizations.
- On most track days I work multiple students so say just average
of 2 a day I've worked with over 200 students easily over last 2.5
years.
- Predominately I've been a FWD Honda guy. However, I've had a good
amount of seat time in just about all late model sports car from all
Japanese and European manufacturers. This includes FWD, RWD, and
AWD cars. To me, it's really all the same, as you have the same
sets of tools to work with - throttle, brake, steering wheel. And
more advanced - clutch and handbrake. How the car reacts dictate your
inputs... but the driving principle applies to all cars.
- Autocrossed for a while, and attended the McKamey AutoX School
(now called Evolution school) phase 1, 2 and 3. I have solid
understanding of what it takes to be a National Champ and have lots
of respects for them.
- I've been a car nut since I was in jr. high. I'm fairly well
known in the Honda circles for in depth knowledge of Honda B series
engines and the whole EF/EG/EK/DA/DC chassis. I also have hands on
wrenching experience (not a great mechanic but I've done a bit).
- Understands suspension components and car setups - remains to be
competition proven :-). But I've helped many students car handle
better with just minor tire pressure change and springs/shocks/swaybars
tuning.
- Occasional drag racer. I can cut lights and power shift with the
best of them... but I baby cars unless I need to get that last few
tenth of a sec. I always do double clutch up and down shifts on every
car I drive. All in all, I would say you'd be hard pressed to find a
more open minded and complete car nut than me.
Anyways, I hope you get a better idea of what I am about. I will
continue to do my track whoring this year, so you guys will no doubt
continue to see me around at least until end of the year. I probably
will have to get back to doing a career starting next year... I'm not
sure if this post will come off as guy with serious ego problems, or
something else. I'm become a very confident person through my track
experience. I have no regrets about anything I've wrote in the past,
as they are all true reflection of me. If you're still reading... I
would like to wish you Happy Motoring! and see you at the track soon!
In closing, I would like to share with you my favorite motorsports
quote:
"It is not always possible to be the best, but it is always possible
to improve your own performance". - Jackie Stewart, Formula One World
Champion
I'm always improving myself. Are you?? :-)
PS, here are few pix of me and some of my recent students. Does it
look like I intimidated them into driving their cars, or does it
look like we had a good time?
996 GT3RS @ Willow Springs
http://ghettoracer.com/events/mcbh-...3/gr-n-jeff.jpg
late 70's 911 @ Streets of Willows (~290 hp, 2300 lbs)
http://ghettoracer.com/events/mcbh-...gr-n-kevins.jpg
E36 M3 with Euro motor @ Sears Point
http://ghettoracer.com/events/sv-sp-0403/gr-n-john.jpg
Ferrari 360 + 550 @ Sears Point
http://ghettoracer.com/cars/ferrari...-gr-tazio-f.jpg
Jaguar E-Type @ Laguna Seca
http://ghettoracer.com/cars/jaguar/.../gr-n-jerry.jpg
--
Frank M. Lin frank@ghettoracer.com
G.Speed Racing (Est. 1995) http://www.g-speed.com
High Performance DataAcq for under $800! http://www.dl90.com
Just a open track ***** and i can't get enough... have I...
become... a... Trackula? http:/www.ghettoracer.com
1995 Honda del Sol VTEC - http://www.g-speed.com/eg2
1994 Honda Civic Si - http://www.g-speed.com/remix
1990 Mazda Miata (Spec) - http://www.ghettoracer.com/miata
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi all, first let me apologize to anyone that doesn't think this
post really need to be public. As many of you know, I usually
talk liberally with out given much thought about the possible
repercussion of the stuff I write. Some times the things I
talk about come off with a wrong effect, or things get taken
way out of context. Sometimes I just hit send way to fast
with out proof reading or second thoughts. I've explained
before that being an internet veteran (over 11 years), I
don't take it all that seriously. I always give people the
benefit of doubt, and talk to them in person. But I guess I
can't expect everyone to return the same favor since the net is
a more public than ever.
I'm posting this primarily to the Rennlist road race board,
TracQuest board, and the PDC list. Some of you might remember
in late 2002 I got into some online debates about DE's in
general, the subject of what is 10/10th, and driving students
cars. Apparently, many people came off with the impression
that I abuse students cars, or worse, I intimidate student into
handing me their keys. Some of the people that were getting
into the debates with me aren't my students. Many don't even
know me at all. In one thread there was a case of my student
responding. He actually came to my defense. I instructed him
for couple of sessions, and I felt that if I could drive his car
for few easy laps (I had only planned to 5/10th laps in that
particular case for couple of reasons), it would really help him a
lot. However, the rapport was not quite good enough, he did not
feel comfortable with my suggestion. But he certainly didn't
have any problems of me asking. In particular, there was one
poster named SeriousRacer that was talking some serious trash,
but did not have the guts to reveal who he is.
Publicly I also admitted of couple of small incidents of sliding
two cars (E46 M3 and Z06 Vette) at a decent speed. I originally
talked about the sliding to illustrate the importance of
communication with student while driving their car. The sliding
were caused by my driving error while doing about 8.5/10th laps,
not full speed laps. The students didn't have any real problems
as I had kept them informed through out the process, and I also
slowed down a notch to explain why even at 8.5/10th, some small
mistakes can cause the car to step out. But with appropriate
corrections, it can be saved with out much drama. However,
that posting seem to be the primarily reason that some have
perceived that I overdrive students car all the times. So for
the past few months, I tried not to talk about what I get to
drive... but occasionally I still can't help to enthusiastically
share some of the cool vehicles that I get to experience. Some
people seem to have constantly questioned over the last few months
about my motives of instructing, and they believe I'm a time bomb
waiting to explode - ie, me instructing for their club would be a
liability and that I'm giving instructor bad reps. I feel that is
completely opposite of what my purpose is. And I would like to
use this opportunity to clear it up once and for all. Majority
of the students that I've ever worked with gained some good
perspectives on road racing and we've always had a good time. I'd
like to think myself as an ambassador to the sports... not
someone here to taint it. So if all this is just a perception
that I need to clear up, I hope this post will do it. I suppose
there is a chance that I'm in fact, very disconnected from the
reality... and that I've been doing wrong and harm all this time.
Well if that's the case, I'd like to hear it from the source
directly - the people I've worked with. So here's my request to
all of you I've worked with in the past. Please share your candid
experience of working with me on my guest book.
http://www.ghettoracer.com/cgi-bin/...racer_guestbook
I don't mind public scrutiny, as I have nothing to hide, and I
know my priorities are straight. I would like to explain myself
to the public, and if they don't feel I fit into their program, I
have no problem of them wanting disassociation with me. I'm getting
into private instruction now since my instructing ethics seems to
start to pay off.
My priority for people I work with is simple:
1. Safety first. I use my experience and knowledge to keep my
students safe by providing them guidance and support/feedback in
real time while riding with them.
2. I evaluate what stage the student is at with the learning curve,
and give appropriate inputs. I'm very efficient at it. I have
probably instructed a wider variety of students/cars/clubs than most
instructors in the last 2.5 years. How much the student learns from
me is based on their ability/willingness to listen, and if they're
trying to apply what I'm trying to teach them. I've worked well with
most people, but some people simply to not respond well to my method
of teaching. But as long as they're safe, I feel I've done my job's
number one priority.
3. I explain my teaching philosophy, and give tips on how they can
be a faster and a safer driver at the same time.
4. If things are going well, I usually ask if I may check out their
cars. This takes backseat to the top 3 priority. As much input I
can give them in real time, nothing beats some educational laps. If
it happens, great, if it doesn't, I don't care, it's really the
student's loss, not mine. But I've been granted the privilege of
driving my students' cars with high success. And it is because I'm
doing it right, and NEVER because the simple fact that I'm an
instructor. If you've seen me on track before, you guys know I'm
usually in street cloths, and I don't think I posses the "look" of
an instructor with a lot of credibility. I doubt I can intimidate
student into handing me their keys even if I wanted to. If I wear
the Ferrari Challenge suit all the times, maybe that'll help.
Most of my students are literally all become my friends in some ways.
Majority of them remember me, and I always check their progress from
time to time. I think it is easy for me to bond with them because
the simple fact that we love cars and open tracking. With a common
passion, it's very easy to connect. Helping, and watch them progress
also strengthens the friendship, as we have experienced growth
together. I really enjoy working with people. And I'm constantly
improving my driving skills, people skills, and teaching skills. I
value any and all seat time weather in the drivers seat or passenger
seat. So many days on track, with the exception of lunch and
water/bathroom breaks I'm literally on the track all day long. And
I'm always one of the last cars to leave the track at end of the day.
Here a little bit of my back ground on high performance driving:
- HPDE/open tracking for 7 years, about 130 track days. No actual
wheel 2 wheel race yet, but all the open track has given me a unique
perspective on the learning curve of HP driving. Some times HPDE
environment is extremely close to race conditions and I'm very
comfortable around traffic.
- 2.5 years instructing experience; about 100 days instructing, for
many clubs in California. Clubs such as Audi Club, Honda Hybrids,
NSX, Club, Lotus Club, TracQuest, Motorsports Club of Beverly Hills,
UnlimitedLaps, NASA, ButtonWillow Performance Driving Clinic (CalClub),
SpeedVentures/WurthMotorsports, SpeedTrial USA, NCRC (once),
TrackNutz (once), and few other organizations.
- On most track days I work multiple students so say just average
of 2 a day I've worked with over 200 students easily over last 2.5
years.
- Predominately I've been a FWD Honda guy. However, I've had a good
amount of seat time in just about all late model sports car from all
Japanese and European manufacturers. This includes FWD, RWD, and
AWD cars. To me, it's really all the same, as you have the same
sets of tools to work with - throttle, brake, steering wheel. And
more advanced - clutch and handbrake. How the car reacts dictate your
inputs... but the driving principle applies to all cars.
- Autocrossed for a while, and attended the McKamey AutoX School
(now called Evolution school) phase 1, 2 and 3. I have solid
understanding of what it takes to be a National Champ and have lots
of respects for them.
- I've been a car nut since I was in jr. high. I'm fairly well
known in the Honda circles for in depth knowledge of Honda B series
engines and the whole EF/EG/EK/DA/DC chassis. I also have hands on
wrenching experience (not a great mechanic but I've done a bit).
- Understands suspension components and car setups - remains to be
competition proven :-). But I've helped many students car handle
better with just minor tire pressure change and springs/shocks/swaybars
tuning.
- Occasional drag racer. I can cut lights and power shift with the
best of them... but I baby cars unless I need to get that last few
tenth of a sec. I always do double clutch up and down shifts on every
car I drive. All in all, I would say you'd be hard pressed to find a
more open minded and complete car nut than me.
Anyways, I hope you get a better idea of what I am about. I will
continue to do my track whoring this year, so you guys will no doubt
continue to see me around at least until end of the year. I probably
will have to get back to doing a career starting next year... I'm not
sure if this post will come off as guy with serious ego problems, or
something else. I'm become a very confident person through my track
experience. I have no regrets about anything I've wrote in the past,
as they are all true reflection of me. If you're still reading... I
would like to wish you Happy Motoring! and see you at the track soon!
In closing, I would like to share with you my favorite motorsports
quote:
"It is not always possible to be the best, but it is always possible
to improve your own performance". - Jackie Stewart, Formula One World
Champion
I'm always improving myself. Are you?? :-)
PS, here are few pix of me and some of my recent students. Does it
look like I intimidated them into driving their cars, or does it
look like we had a good time?
996 GT3RS @ Willow Springs
http://ghettoracer.com/events/mcbh-...3/gr-n-jeff.jpg
late 70's 911 @ Streets of Willows (~290 hp, 2300 lbs)
http://ghettoracer.com/events/mcbh-...gr-n-kevins.jpg
E36 M3 with Euro motor @ Sears Point
http://ghettoracer.com/events/sv-sp-0403/gr-n-john.jpg
Ferrari 360 + 550 @ Sears Point
http://ghettoracer.com/cars/ferrari...-gr-tazio-f.jpg
Jaguar E-Type @ Laguna Seca
http://ghettoracer.com/cars/jaguar/.../gr-n-jerry.jpg
--
Frank M. Lin frank@ghettoracer.com
G.Speed Racing (Est. 1995) http://www.g-speed.com
High Performance DataAcq for under $800! http://www.dl90.com
Just a open track ***** and i can't get enough... have I...
become... a... Trackula? http:/www.ghettoracer.com
1995 Honda del Sol VTEC - http://www.g-speed.com/eg2
1994 Honda Civic Si - http://www.g-speed.com/remix
1990 Mazda Miata (Spec) - http://www.ghettoracer.com/miata
*yawn*
03-26-2007, 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by GhettoRacer
you make no sense bull****. if you want to have an intelligent conversation please cite specific examples. otherwise you just look like a complete idiot who is full of bull****. otherwise, STFU.
03-27-2007, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by GhettoRacer
Well, no body knows the actual figure that's for sure. Has Porsche or Porsche mags ever polled how many % of its readers wrench on their cars? I'm sure the percentage of Porsche owners that wrench on their cars is far greater for older cars than it is for late models... most of the people that car afford late model Porsche now days do not wrench on their cars.
By sheer numbers, I think it's safe to say that are far more shade tree Honda mechanics than any other make in the world.
By sheer numbers, I think it's safe to say that are far more shade tree Honda mechanics than any other make in the world.
Did you ever stop to think that the people who can afford a new Porsche are too busy making Big $. Not only are their cars on warranty and don't need to wrench, but if it's not on warranty, they can afford to have someone do it. Those that do wrench, do so because they want to.
Why am I here. Every once in awhile I come here to see what's going on and I find that it's a complete waste of my time. I'll bill you for my time, GR.
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Money is good. Properly used it does wonders. But it doesn't buy a lot of thing, such as friendship, loyalty, love, and passion (for cars). Having money don't mean ****... and truly successful people will tell you money does NOT define them. It is a by product of their character...
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Originally Posted by M3Pete
WHO CARES who wrenches on their cars or not?
Did you ever stop to think that the people who can afford a new Porsche are too busy making Big $. Not only are their cars on warranty and don't need to wrench, but if it's not on warranty, they can afford to have someone do it. Those that do wrench, do so because they want to.
Did you ever stop to think that the people who can afford a new Porsche are too busy making Big $. Not only are their cars on warranty and don't need to wrench, but if it's not on warranty, they can afford to have someone do it. Those that do wrench, do so because they want to.
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Way higher % of Porsche owners track their cars than Honda. You do not have to be rich to own a Porsche. I have 2 and am sole breadwinner of a 4 mouth plus pets household and a regular working guy. Porsche owners take better care of their cars, they fix up the old ones, they race the old ones, they race the new ones and they are ALL more likely to take them to the track and learn high performance driving for all years and models.
Very few have little almost useless 2.5 pound chrome fire extinguishers on the right side A pillar as well. Blinging out slammed street cars with BS chrome wheels, sewer pipe cat back tail pipes and stupid bolt to the trunk wings is a status thing as it is all for looks. I see people putting real performance in cars all day long. Both in the car and the nut that holds the wheel. Porsche DE events sell out around my area all the time. None of the other makes DE events do. They also use Porsche Club Instructors/ for a bunch of rich guys they seem to have time to learn and practice the craft of drIving. Where are Honda's Club Race events held? When and where is Honda cup?
What stat do you want to try next? Porsche owners wives and or girlfriends are less likely to own more than three pairs of black PVC thong panties and a pair of clear plastic stripper shoes? Oops, sorry, is the girl thing still a touchy subject?
Drop the stereotype attempt, you don't have the weight to make it stick.
Very few have little almost useless 2.5 pound chrome fire extinguishers on the right side A pillar as well. Blinging out slammed street cars with BS chrome wheels, sewer pipe cat back tail pipes and stupid bolt to the trunk wings is a status thing as it is all for looks. I see people putting real performance in cars all day long. Both in the car and the nut that holds the wheel. Porsche DE events sell out around my area all the time. None of the other makes DE events do. They also use Porsche Club Instructors/ for a bunch of rich guys they seem to have time to learn and practice the craft of drIving. Where are Honda's Club Race events held? When and where is Honda cup?
What stat do you want to try next? Porsche owners wives and or girlfriends are less likely to own more than three pairs of black PVC thong panties and a pair of clear plastic stripper shoes? Oops, sorry, is the girl thing still a touchy subject?
Drop the stereotype attempt, you don't have the weight to make it stick.