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05-20-2003, 03:18 PM

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<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by GhettoRacer:
I asked you several times because you're an fellow instructor. the 1st time you said no because if I go off, it's a $5k+ damage. After I thought about it some, hell I can afford that, even though I wouldn't never drove it that hard anyway. So paying is what you were really worry about, there was nothing to worry about.
<hr /></blockquote>How arrogant can a person be? IT IS NOT OKAY TO DAMAGE SOMEONE ELSES CAR. Even if you think that you can afford to fix the damage. That attitude is just so totally inappropriate.

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05-20-2003, 03:23 PM

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<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Bryan Watts:
Let me drop in a quick hello to E.J.! It was good to see you at VIR a couple weekends ago. If you make it down to either of the Road Atlanta ALMS races, stop by our paddock and say hi. Maybe I'll run into you at another SCCA event soon! Good look with the new (or is it soon to be new?) addition to your family!

-Bryan Watts<hr /></blockquote>Hey Brian. Good to catch up at VIR. Doesn't look like I'll make any other races this year, but I hope you have great success at RA in the pro series. Those Formula Mazdas (Star Mazdas? FM?) look like fun, just not sure I could even fit in one. Our daughter is coming the first week of August, thanks for asking.

BTW - you missed my race on Sunday. Lap 6 some backmarker put me in the guardrail on the front straight. Don't ask what I was doing back there in the first place. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> Anyway, he says he thought I went off at the top of the hill since he never saw me again until he hit me under the start finish flagger stand. I guess that's why he's a backmarker. Either that or his mirrors are broken. Oh well, live and learn. You can see it <a href="http://www.paceglobal.com/encontrolmeter/ej/srf/" target="_blank"> all right here</a>, just please right click and save as. My best to your dad and good luck.

Obligatory GR section:

<blockquote>quote:<hr />by Bryan Watts:
Do me a favor and go race with the big boys just once...you need a nice big helping of humble pie, son.<hr /></blockquote><img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" />

In case you're wondering GR, you may want to listen to Bryan too: <a href="http://www.velocitymotorsports.com/about/news/Watts%2003-01-2003.htm" target="_blank"> since he has real</a> experience too.

E. J.

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05-20-2003, 03:26 PM

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<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Rick964:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by GhettoRacer:
I asked you several times because you're an fellow instructor. the 1st time you said no because if I go off, it's a $5k+ damage. After I thought about it some, hell I can afford that, even though I wouldn't never drove it that hard anyway. So paying is what you were really worry about, there was nothing to worry about.
<hr /></blockquote>How arrogant can a person be? IT IS NOT OKAY TO DAMAGE SOMEONE ELSES CAR. Even if you think that you can afford to fix the damage. That attitude is just so totally inappropriate.<hr /></blockquote>No, cruising around 5/10th would've gave me a lot of satisfaction and told me a lot about the car. The thinking was that ducks in the row laps is probably the safest lapping environment.

This thread is so long now, it's hard to ask anyone to take the time and read it all.

I do want to thank Mark D. for letting me taking out his SRF a while back. It was a lot of fun. I really did appreciate it, and I still do. I guess he didn't know any better back then.

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05-20-2003, 03:59 PM

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<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by tcracer:
So having myself and Hank Watts as his instructor was not enough, and you thought you could teach him more???? <hr /></blockquote>yeah Tony, you suck. If you were really good your OTC lap times at WSIR would've been more than 30 sec/lap better than mine. wuss.

why couldn't i have recruited a co-driver with some MaD skIllZ?? what was I thinking???

But at least my car is loud!

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ok that's it
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05-20-2003, 04:20 PM

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05-20-2003, 04:20 PM

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The Professor offers up some scholarly research that is germain to the direction of this discussion:

<a href="http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html" target="_blank">http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html</a>

I'll offer up my own little kernel of wisdom: "Pants first, THEN shoes".

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Universität Nürburgring

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05-20-2003, 04:31 PM

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"No, cruising around 5/10th would've gave me a lot of satisfaction"

Ummm ... if you can't afford the car you don't deserve the satisfaction that comes with it. This makes you an arrogant idiot who likes to use other peoples hard earned money who DO deserve the satisfaction. You need to focus all your energy into some kind of career so you can buy your own car. You're a TOOL!

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05-20-2003, 04:44 PM

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<a href="http://www.funcarsonline.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=996T&Number=57098&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=7 &fpart=1" target="_blank">http://www.funcarsonline.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=996T&Number=57098&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=7 &fpart=1</a>

Interesting comments on another board about Frank. Dario you are 100% correct. Frank obviously has a "ME" complex.

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05-20-2003, 06:08 PM

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<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by GhettoRacer:
[QBI do want to thank Mark D. for letting me taking out his SRF a while back. It was a lot of fun. I really did appreciate it, and I still do. I guess he didn't know any better back then.[/QB]<hr /></blockquote>You are welcome, and you could drive it again if I brought it to an event. Knowing better now has nothing to do with it. The SRF is a perfect TrackSlut car - fairly easy to drive, built like a tank, doesn't get hurt with excursions into the dirt and is cheap - $20K is you wrote if off completely. I am not worried about the need to repair it or diminished value - it has been wrecked a few times in it's life - that is what happens to cars that live on the track. When I took that to track events, I pretty much offered it to any instructor or advanced student that wanted to give it a try. I would still do that - it is a great experience to drive a purpose built race car, especially one that can take abuse. Now the Radical is a whole different world (I am now getting ready to use tranmission #2).

The SRF and my attitude, however, has nothing to do with my attitude about student's cars or how I would treat them. Personally, I do not like to drive student's (or instuctor's) cars and almost always manage to avoid it, except for Ducks-in-a-row. I do not make driving other peoples cars part of my coaching process, nor do I see it as a perk.

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05-20-2003, 07:08 PM

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[/QB][/QUOTE] The SRF is a perfect TrackSlut car - fairly easy to drive, built like a tank, doesn't get hurt with excursions into the dirt and is cheap - $20K is you wrote if off completely. [/QB][/QUOTE]

...But freakin difficult little mothers to drive FAST. Piloted these little boats at the Regional, Nationall and Pro level...they take a skilled piloti to run mid-pack, and running at the front in one is an exercise in "dancing with the devil".

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05-20-2003, 07:16 PM

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Here are the reasons I instruct.
1. In hopes that if I show a student car control skills at incremental progression towards the limits, that student will put some tools in their toolbox that will enable them to save their own life, the lives of loved ones, or the lives of others.
2. Seat time to keep me sharper for racing and daily driving.
I think this was a good thread as it sparked many good points. Sorry about the dogpiling on GR though, even though I have never met him, I am sure he is probably a great guy. As I reflect on the issues raised I have decided that for me, it means I will never ask to drive another's car and will only take students out in mine if they want some help with the line, technique etc... I believe that all the talented Instructors and driver's I know can feel exactly what the students car is doing just from the passenger seat and can give input accordingly. Perhaps every region should just keep a Spec Miata around for multiple users...? I just dont think I could feel ok after damaging another's car. Even if that means the worn out clutch goes while I am at the wheel. While it may be no fault of mine, I would still feel obliged to help with the repair... My car I can deal with damage under the "that's racing" rule.

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05-20-2003, 07:17 PM

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<blockquote>quote:<hr />Charles Darwin (1871) sagely noted over a century ago:

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge"<hr /></blockquote> <blockquote>quote:<hr />gEt-O rAceR FraNk sEz:

"I'm become a very confident person through my track experience."<hr /></blockquote> <blockquote>quote:<hr />gEt-O rAceR FraNk sEz:

"One may think that I'm cocky and arrogant (whereas I just feel I'm confident)"<hr /></blockquote> <blockquote>quote:<hr />gEt-O rAceR FraNk sEz:

"Everyone has certain confidence about themselves just like I do."<hr /></blockquote> <blockquote>quote:<hr />gEt-O rAceR FraNk sEz:

"I'm just a cocky a$$ (to most of the world, but I just confident) HPD instructor that thinks he knows a lot about high performance driving."<hr /></blockquote>If the shoe fits, you must stick it in your mouth.

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05-20-2003, 07:22 PM

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Herr Professor

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> The Professor offers up some scholarly research that is germain to the direction of this discussion:
<a href="http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html" target="_blank">http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html</a>
I'll offer up my own little kernel of wisdom: "Pants first, THEN shoes". <hr /></blockquote>

Down in Texas they have a saying, "Big hat, no cattle", which I think is a succinct summary of the two Cornell psychologists report.

Maybe we could adapt it to
"Big Helmet, No Race Car".

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05-20-2003, 08:15 PM

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Mike,

I just finished "The Millionaire Next Door" on a flight home from SF yesterday (TG, I didn't run into Frank while out there). As a dyed-in-the-wool Texan, I was thinking that your quoted expression fit him rather nicely.

Looking forward to RA this weekend.

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05-20-2003, 10:59 PM

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<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DJ:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Charles Darwin (1871) sagely noted over a century ago:

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge"<hr /></blockquote> <blockquote>quote:<hr />gEt-O rAceR FraNk sEz:

"I'm become a very confident person through my track experience."<hr /></blockquote> <blockquote>quote:<hr />gEt-O rAceR FraNk sEz:

"One may think that I'm cocky and arrogant (whereas I just feel I'm confident)"<hr /></blockquote> <blockquote>quote:<hr />gEt-O rAceR FraNk sEz:

"Everyone has certain confidence about themselves just like I do."<hr /></blockquote> <blockquote>quote:<hr />gEt-O rAceR FraNk sEz:

"I'm just a cocky a$$ (to most of the world, but I just confident) HPD instructor that thinks he knows a lot about high performance driving."<hr /></blockquote>If the shoe fits, you must stick it in your mouth.<hr /></blockquote><img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" />

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