Experiment - GT4 Track Setup Wiki:
#616
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I don't have the wheels for 265 front, but I just installed a set of 245/35ZR-19 295/35ZR-19 FALKEN AZENIS RT660 XL after waiting three months for SC3R's. Headed to VIR this weekend. I'll report back...
#617
https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/ar...ear-tire-test/
Last edited by jwr9152; 04-14-2022 at 03:39 PM.
#619
Rennlist Member
The fresh, deep-treaded Falkens were comparable around VIR to the Supercar 3R's. Best with 3R's was 2:10:50, with RT660 was 2:11:10.
#620
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That was my experience at CMP as well. I was actually slightly faster on the Falkens but I attribute that to me learning the car better. They were also good to go after half a lap, instead of half a session like the Goodyears.
#622
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#623
Hopefully this helps someone, but I just spoke with a race shop this morning about alignment and have some information regarding toe. This is for the 981 GT4, however I believe the suspension stayed the same going to the 718 GT4. Our conversation was aimed for track use in the advance group.
Toe
Front
Front
Recommends 0.4 - 0.5 delta between front and rear.
Front
Front
Toe
Front
- in - Recommended for street use so that the steering wheel doesn't move while driving straight. There is slight drag.
- 0 - Recommended for generic track/autocross to give better initial turn in. Steering wheel needs slight input to drive straight. Neutral setting with 0 drag.
- out - Recommended for specific tracks where there are many tight turns. Steering wheel will constantly hunt to go left or right with steering input to drive straight. There is slight drag.
- in - Recommended to increase rear stability while exiting through a turn.
- 0 - Forgot to take notes here...
- out - We didn't talk about this because it's not recommended.
Front
- Recommends either middle or 1 notch towards softer (edit: softer) depending on driving style on track.
- Recommends either middle or stiffer (edit: stiffer) depending on driving style on track.
Recommends 0.4 - 0.5 delta between front and rear.
Front
- For my use he recommends about -2.7 to -2.8
- For the fastest drivers (that's right it's YOU!) he sees -3.0 to -3.2
- Recommends -2.3 +/- .1 after he takes a look at my tire wear today.
- Fastest drivers about -2.5 to -2.8
Front
- Lower about 2-3 mm from stock to add rake
- Leave it stock
- It doesn't make sense to do this unless you're driving 3-5 laps within 0.2s.
- Usually this is done for specific tracks but if you drive multiple tracks without alignments each time then keep it stock and don't waste your money.
- I forgot to ask about this
Last edited by 9eight7; 05-26-2022 at 05:36 PM.
#624
Instructor
After running Bridgestone RE71R's for years at trackdays, I was wondering if I can change sizes of the rubber since they no longer make the front tire in my size.
There are also no EAGLE F1 SUPERCAR 3 in stock in the USA, which would be my next choice to try.
I am running Forgeline 19x9, 19x10.5, GS1R wheels.
I have previously been running 265/35/19 (Front), 285/35/19 (rear).
Bridgestone no longer make the RE71RS in a 265/35/19, but the make a 255/35/19 and I wanted to know what people think of running a slightly smaller size?
My only option that I can find in the 265/35/19 & 285/35/19 is the Proxie R888R which some people have been mentioning on this site as "not a good choice"
Does anyone have any recommendations for tires in my size for track days?
There are also no EAGLE F1 SUPERCAR 3 in stock in the USA, which would be my next choice to try.
I am running Forgeline 19x9, 19x10.5, GS1R wheels.
I have previously been running 265/35/19 (Front), 285/35/19 (rear).
Bridgestone no longer make the RE71RS in a 265/35/19, but the make a 255/35/19 and I wanted to know what people think of running a slightly smaller size?
My only option that I can find in the 265/35/19 & 285/35/19 is the Proxie R888R which some people have been mentioning on this site as "not a good choice"
Does anyone have any recommendations for tires in my size for track days?
#625
Rennlist Member
After running Bridgestone RE71R's for years at trackdays, I was wondering if I can change sizes of the rubber since they no longer make the front tire in my size.
There are also no EAGLE F1 SUPERCAR 3 in stock in the USA, which would be my next choice to try.
I am running Forgeline 19x9, 19x10.5, GS1R wheels.
I have previously been running 265/35/19 (Front), 285/35/19 (rear).
Bridgestone no longer make the RE71RS in a 265/35/19, but the make a 255/35/19 and I wanted to know what people think of running a slightly smaller size?
My only option that I can find in the 265/35/19 & 285/35/19 is the Proxie R888R which some people have been mentioning on this site as "not a good choice"
Does anyone have any recommendations for tires in my size for track days?
There are also no EAGLE F1 SUPERCAR 3 in stock in the USA, which would be my next choice to try.
I am running Forgeline 19x9, 19x10.5, GS1R wheels.
I have previously been running 265/35/19 (Front), 285/35/19 (rear).
Bridgestone no longer make the RE71RS in a 265/35/19, but the make a 255/35/19 and I wanted to know what people think of running a slightly smaller size?
My only option that I can find in the 265/35/19 & 285/35/19 is the Proxie R888R which some people have been mentioning on this site as "not a good choice"
Does anyone have any recommendations for tires in my size for track days?
#626
Rennlist Member
After running Bridgestone RE71R's for years at trackdays, I was wondering if I can change sizes of the rubber since they no longer make the front tire in my size.
There are also no EAGLE F1 SUPERCAR 3 in stock in the USA, which would be my next choice to try.
I am running Forgeline 19x9, 19x10.5, GS1R wheels.
I have previously been running 265/35/19 (Front), 285/35/19 (rear).
Bridgestone no longer make the RE71RS in a 265/35/19, but the make a 255/35/19 and I wanted to know what people think of running a slightly smaller size?
My only option that I can find in the 265/35/19 & 285/35/19 is the Proxie R888R which some people have been mentioning on this site as "not a good choice"
Does anyone have any recommendations for tires in my size for track days?
There are also no EAGLE F1 SUPERCAR 3 in stock in the USA, which would be my next choice to try.
I am running Forgeline 19x9, 19x10.5, GS1R wheels.
I have previously been running 265/35/19 (Front), 285/35/19 (rear).
Bridgestone no longer make the RE71RS in a 265/35/19, but the make a 255/35/19 and I wanted to know what people think of running a slightly smaller size?
My only option that I can find in the 265/35/19 & 285/35/19 is the Proxie R888R which some people have been mentioning on this site as "not a good choice"
Does anyone have any recommendations for tires in my size for track days?
#627
Ride Height
Hello, have a ‘22 718 GT4. Getting corner balance and track alignment done next week. After reading above recommendations, I’m shooting for:-2.7 to -3 Front Camber with 0 Toe
-2.3 to -2.6 Rear Camber with 3mm Toe In
Appears best to keep rear camber 0.5 less than front.
Car will be used 90% on track and AX. I have the front thrust bearing for correcting caster and the rear toe links with lockouts.
What ride height and take is recommended? I want aggressive for track, want to reduce stock understeer but I do not want any tire rubbing.
Thanks, Fred.
-2.3 to -2.6 Rear Camber with 3mm Toe In
Appears best to keep rear camber 0.5 less than front.
Car will be used 90% on track and AX. I have the front thrust bearing for correcting caster and the rear toe links with lockouts.
What ride height and take is recommended? I want aggressive for track, want to reduce stock understeer but I do not want any tire rubbing.
Thanks, Fred.
#628
Rennlist Member
I have a set of OZ 245/40/19 and 285/35/19 that I purchased from the seller of my GT4 when I got it back in November.
But now Im wondering whether to sell those and pick up Apex SM10s in 265/35/19 and 285/35/19 instead.
In both cases I will likely run re71r. Just wondering if the additional width is going to justify the investment.
But now Im wondering whether to sell those and pick up Apex SM10s in 265/35/19 and 285/35/19 instead.
In both cases I will likely run re71r. Just wondering if the additional width is going to justify the investment.
#629
Question for the experts
I own a 981 GT4 that I occasionally track, my main use is weekends canyon driving (a very aggressive one on very empty roads here in SoCal, so please don’t give me a lecture about safety)
A friend recommended me to align the car, the shop installed 10mm shims and said the rear toe links were not necessary as I use it for canyons more often than track.
So now the difference between F and R camber is twice as much now (-2.6 vs -1.3), I didn’t like the stock understeer but now I feel the car is tail happy. On a wide track having the rear more loose might suit some drivers because of rotation, on narrower canyons not so much.
Yes I can pull 1.5 lat G on canyons now (before I never passed the ocasional 1.4) but it is so close to the limit than the rear breaks loose without any warning, and that basically reduced my confidence (on and off track)
I’d prefer a more balanced but aggressive approach.
Can I achieve this by installing the rear toe links to increase the R camber to a (maybe) -2 degrees, just to reduce the gap to the -2.6 in the front? And without going through a expense rabbit hole and having to replace more parts to achieve this (adjustable thrust arms, etc)
Here’s my current setup, as you can see the difference between F and R is a LOT.
(Note the “before” numbers were with the shims already installed but the steering wheel was tilted to one side, that’s why the camber is so aggressive on the “before” but my real before camber was a very stock -1.
If somebody says to play with the tire pressures to compensate, usually what I do on the track to keep it simple and consistent is begin with the recommended 29/33 and then start bleeding to keep the same tire pressure but when hot. An instructor told me that was the perfect balance to improve handling while keeping tire life
thanks in advance
I own a 981 GT4 that I occasionally track, my main use is weekends canyon driving (a very aggressive one on very empty roads here in SoCal, so please don’t give me a lecture about safety)
A friend recommended me to align the car, the shop installed 10mm shims and said the rear toe links were not necessary as I use it for canyons more often than track.
So now the difference between F and R camber is twice as much now (-2.6 vs -1.3), I didn’t like the stock understeer but now I feel the car is tail happy. On a wide track having the rear more loose might suit some drivers because of rotation, on narrower canyons not so much.
Yes I can pull 1.5 lat G on canyons now (before I never passed the ocasional 1.4) but it is so close to the limit than the rear breaks loose without any warning, and that basically reduced my confidence (on and off track)
I’d prefer a more balanced but aggressive approach.
Can I achieve this by installing the rear toe links to increase the R camber to a (maybe) -2 degrees, just to reduce the gap to the -2.6 in the front? And without going through a expense rabbit hole and having to replace more parts to achieve this (adjustable thrust arms, etc)
Here’s my current setup, as you can see the difference between F and R is a LOT.
(Note the “before” numbers were with the shims already installed but the steering wheel was tilted to one side, that’s why the camber is so aggressive on the “before” but my real before camber was a very stock -1.
If somebody says to play with the tire pressures to compensate, usually what I do on the track to keep it simple and consistent is begin with the recommended 29/33 and then start bleeding to keep the same tire pressure but when hot. An instructor told me that was the perfect balance to improve handling while keeping tire life
thanks in advance
Last edited by Feralc; 05-03-2024 at 11:13 AM.
#630
PS Armorer
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Camber is not likely to be your issue.
What settings are you running on your anti-roll bars? Move the rear bar one setting softer and it will likely solve your problem.
What settings are you running on your anti-roll bars? Move the rear bar one setting softer and it will likely solve your problem.
Last edited by milrad; 05-03-2024 at 11:15 AM.
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