OT: BMW M2
Racer
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M2 vs GT4
Just saw this. Different kind of cars, but oh well:
http://bmwblog.kinja.com/bmw-m2-vs-p...gt4-1736387034
Just saw this. Different kind of cars, but oh well:
http://bmwblog.kinja.com/bmw-m2-vs-p...gt4-1736387034
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From: ..............
+1
Bimmers are really sweet driving cars, very practical and feel quite sporty on the road. Used to be more tossable, but recently getting bigger/heavier, very powerful, and ponderous. 2 is effectively the old 3 series we loved... 3/4 is the old 5 series form factor...current M5 is total rhino/battleship...
They are working on reducing weight but from quite a high baseline, so even with some weight reduction, they are still porkers when one gets used to a 3100-3200 pound Porsche. Furthermore, they need to achieve certain price points to achieve desired sales volumes so it is hard (expensive) to significantly reduce weight. In that respect they are a prisoner of their own success.
Great for everyday use, good for canyon runs, and as Chris said, totally fish out of water on track, at least in stock form, for experienced trackers. Can't stop well enough, can't turn sharply...
Bimmers are really sweet driving cars, very practical and feel quite sporty on the road. Used to be more tossable, but recently getting bigger/heavier, very powerful, and ponderous. 2 is effectively the old 3 series we loved... 3/4 is the old 5 series form factor...current M5 is total rhino/battleship...
They are working on reducing weight but from quite a high baseline, so even with some weight reduction, they are still porkers when one gets used to a 3100-3200 pound Porsche. Furthermore, they need to achieve certain price points to achieve desired sales volumes so it is hard (expensive) to significantly reduce weight. In that respect they are a prisoner of their own success.
Great for everyday use, good for canyon runs, and as Chris said, totally fish out of water on track, at least in stock form, for experienced trackers. Can't stop well enough, can't turn sharply...
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From: SoCal
My wife dailys an m235 and it's a really good car. Only nit is the tiny gas tank. She likes it. It's fast little car has *****. Doesn't feel anything as good as a Porsche though driving wise. Doesn't feel as heavy as it is.
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If I don't like DD'ing my GT4, I think the M2 would do nicely. My current DD is an E92 M3 and the one time I took it to the track, even with pads and fluid, it nearly melted.
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From: San Gabriel, CA
+1
Bimmers are really sweet driving cars, very practical and feel quite sporty on the road. Used to be more tossable, but recently getting bigger/heavier, very powerful, and ponderous. 2 is effectively the old 3 series we loved... 3/4 is the old 5 series form factor...current M5 is total rhino/battleship...
They are working on reducing weight but from quite a high baseline, so even with some weight reduction, they are still porkers when one gets used to a 3100-3200 pound Porsche. Furthermore, they need to achieve certain price points to achieve desired sales volumes so it is hard (expensive) to significantly reduce weight. In that respect they are a prisoner of their own success.
Great for everyday use, good for canyon runs, and as Chris said, totally fish out of water on track, at least in stock form, for experienced trackers. Can't stop well enough, can't turn sharply...
Bimmers are really sweet driving cars, very practical and feel quite sporty on the road. Used to be more tossable, but recently getting bigger/heavier, very powerful, and ponderous. 2 is effectively the old 3 series we loved... 3/4 is the old 5 series form factor...current M5 is total rhino/battleship...
They are working on reducing weight but from quite a high baseline, so even with some weight reduction, they are still porkers when one gets used to a 3100-3200 pound Porsche. Furthermore, they need to achieve certain price points to achieve desired sales volumes so it is hard (expensive) to significantly reduce weight. In that respect they are a prisoner of their own success.
Great for everyday use, good for canyon runs, and as Chris said, totally fish out of water on track, at least in stock form, for experienced trackers. Can't stop well enough, can't turn sharply...
I think the M2 will be a very fun daily driver that can be a decent track contender with some work/mods... like the E46.
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To be honest I was looking forward to this car but after thinking about it, I would much rather have an M3. If the weight came in around 3200lbs that would be great but when the manual weighs 3540lbs I would rather gain an extra 60lbs and have 4 doors and a better motor.
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Currently daily driver is my chipped M235 with some mods- around 400hp 450 torque with chip. It is such a great car for the money. The question is will the M2 be that much better and did they do a larger turbo which with a tune could go to 450hp or so. The inside is kinda plastic but for the money it kills everything in the same class.
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Saw the leaked photos today of the M2 and it looks pretty impressive; 370hp; 3300lbs, manual and stick. I'm hoping this will be the M3 they forgot to build when they made the M4. Decided to reach out to my local dealer for a temp. read. Here's how that went:
me: so when will you be able to order and will it be at MSRP or below?
dealer: not sure yet but when they are available, it will be WAY over MSRP
me: that's funny, I have a GT4 incoming at MSRP and they're actually limited
production
dealer: well when they assign allocations, I can probably get you one at MSRP
Here's hoping it's a great car and they make lots of them.
me: so when will you be able to order and will it be at MSRP or below?
dealer: not sure yet but when they are available, it will be WAY over MSRP
me: that's funny, I have a GT4 incoming at MSRP and they're actually limited
production
dealer: well when they assign allocations, I can probably get you one at MSRP
Here's hoping it's a great car and they make lots of them.
