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I'm curious about the chassis reinforcement mentioned for the mount points. I take it adding reinforcement after the fact is a huge undertaking and any aftermarket bars will forgo this step and just mount on the existing points without reinforcement.
Really surprised that the chassis would be different for ROW and NA. Perhaps the difference is Club Sport and non-Club Sport. Pending further confirmation of what is and is not in the NA cars it looks like a harness bar/sub belt bar option is the way to go with modification of the passenger seat to allow pass through for the sub belt.
The 991 GT3 folks have gotten real handy with a Dremel and hacksaw to the bottom of their passenger LWB seats for sub-belt installation...
I believe GMG Racing has a solution where you can attach a sub bar to the LWB so that you can attach the subbelt without putting a rivet in the floor pan. Goto the 991 GT3 forum and look for that huge thread by OrthoJoe.
Yes, it's all DOT and liability driven craziness with PCNA, 918 Weissachs only come with driver's 6 point kits, sent separately after car arrives. No chance in hell to get for passenger. I agree though they should ship the same tubs everywhere so that if we choose to add in bars etc for track purposes that we can use OEM pick ups. Once we own the car, who cares what we do....
Ironically, by not providing these mounting points, end users are more likely to modify their cars in an unsafe manner. In the safety game, everyone has to make their own determination of what works and what does not. Typically, it is preferred that all of the belt mounting points are to the chassis and not to the seat. But that isn't always the case and whether this matters or not is fact specific.
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Two reasons I can think of, off the top of my head:
The roll bar is a hard, unpadded surface that can be contacted by occupants in the event of a collision
Expensive NHSTA crash testing, with the roll bar installed, will be required. Given the first issue, there's no point as it wouldn't pass anyway.
Looking at the contortions required to certify a bucket seat for North American cars, the Club Sport package unavailability doesn't surprise me one bit.
Two reasons I can think of, off the top of my head:
The roll bar is a hard, unpadded surface that can be contacted by occupants in the event of a collision
Expensive NHSTA crash testing, with the roll bar installed, will be required. Given the first issue, there's no point as it wouldn't pass anyway.
Looking at the contortions required to certify a bucket seat for North American cars, the Club Sport package unavailability doesn't surprise me one bit.
Makes sense... does a roll-bar have an impact on insurance policy then?
Makes sense... does a roll-bar have an impact on insurance policy then?
I know of people who had their insurance policies cancelled when they installed a roll bar (and were discovered). Just asking the question might be detrimental to your coverage, IMO.
Two reasons I can think of, off the top of my head:
The roll bar is a hard, unpadded surface that can be contacted by occupants in the event of a collision
One and done. Since there is no federal law requiring occupants to wear seatbelt (it's state-level), federal safety regulations account for the possibility of "the second collision". That is, an unbelted occupant striking some part of the vehicle after the initial crash (the vehicle striking something else) has already occurred. Head striking a roll bar can do some serious damage, if not kill you outright.
New Hampshire is still the only state in the union without a law for adults (but has a primary enforcement law for children). 15 states have secondary enforcement only.
What's interesting is seatbelt usage is lower than you'd think. A bit amazed that Massachusetts is the 2nd worst in the nation at only around 73.7%. Though it explains why I've had to smack so many people into buckling up.
Well until we have confirmation from a US delivery that the reinforced plates for the roll bar, belts and sub belts are not there we still can have hope!
Here is my 997 GT3 RS.1 - We were told same thing - NA cars would "not" have Club Sport reinforcements and could not be retrofitted for Factory Clubsport Package.
As you can see in the photos when we took up the carpet of my 2007 "NA" GT3 RS all the goodies for the Euro Clubsport package were in deed there. No carpet cuts, but it was still there, just waiting to be found.
Well until we have confirmation from a US delivery that the reinforced plates for the roll bar, belts and sub belts are not there we still can have hope!
Here is my 997 GT3 RS.1 - We were told same thing - NA cars would "not" have Club Sport reinforcements and could not be retrofitted for Factory Clubsport Package.
As you can see in the photos when we took up the carpet of my 2007 "NA" GT3 RS all the goodies for the Euro Clubsport package were in deed there. No carpet cuts, but it was still there, just waiting to be found.
Maybe but my source is very high up the food chain and I see no reason for him to misinform me nor somebody from the factory to misinform him.... but as soon as my car hits, I'll be looking
Well until we have confirmation from a US delivery that the reinforced plates for the roll bar, belts and sub belts are not there we still can have hope!
Here is my 997 GT3 RS.1 - We were told same thing - NA cars would "not" have Club Sport reinforcements and could not be retrofitted for Factory Clubsport Package.
As you can see in the photos when we took up the carpet of my 2007 "NA" GT3 RS all the goodies for the Euro Clubsport package were in deed there. No carpet cuts, but it was still there, just waiting to be found.
997.1 was the last car to come to the U.S. with the clubsport mounting plates in place. Ever since, Porsche has been removing them for US cars.
If there are mounting points in the car, we will revise our 4-point harness bar to bolt to them; however, given that we have had much success with this 981 bar that we sell to individuals and shops, we are continuing with this program for the 981 GT4. Information about the product and a link to where it can be purchased are attached below.
Designed in-house at BGB Motorsports, this 4-Point Bolt-In "Harness Bar" is made of 1.5" *.095" DOM mild steel tubing. The unit REQUIRES NO MODIFICATION to the chassis, maintains 95% of factory rearview visibility due to lack of unnecessary rear x-braces that are solely for aesthetic purposes not rigidity and allows simultaneous usage of OE seat belts and 6-point harnesses. In addition, the bar maintains 6' + tall driver or passenger legroom and is available in custom powder coat color of your choice. Installs in less than 2 hours start-to-finish. Available to shops for a wholesale price of $1995 painted or $1750 raw and unfinished, excluding S&H.
NOTE: WE DO NOT REFER TO ANY BOLT-IN BAR AS A ROLL BAR INTENTIONALLY. THESE BARS ARE NOT INTENDED TO PROVIDE ROLLOVER PROTECTION; ONLY A 6-POINT 1.75" * .095 STEEL ROLL CAGE IS WORTHY OF ADEQUATE ROLLOVER / IMPACT PROTECTION.
981 Bar in a 3.8L PDK 981 built for 100% Track Use.
981 bar with a quick removal solution for having to get to the engine cover because we don't feel that getting to the engine cover on a Cayman needs to be any harder than it already is.
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