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Did you miss having a manual transmission with this car?
If it had been a 7MT it would probably be my forever car.
I had a 997TT and was planning to buy a 2015 Turbo, which was only PDK, of course. Wanted to see what I thought of PDK because I’d never even driven one. No Turbos in stock when I went in, but that was fine, since anything with PDK would do. I drove a 911S for 30 minutes, thought the PDK seemed fantastic. Went back a couple days later, took it out for an hour, liked it even more. Decided the new 911s had gotten so fast I didn’t even need a Turbo but I still wanted PDK. Ordered in Feb, it came in in April, I loved it. Two weeks later I literally sat up in bed in a cold sweat and said, God in heaven, what have I done.
I soldiered on for almost two years with it, put 12k miles and some track days (by the way, if all I did were track days I’d have LOVED PDK), but in the end realized I just didn’t want the computer doing the shifting for me. And more than that, I wanted the physio-mechanical dance of working the clutch and shifter. Not just manually shifting, which I did 100% of the time with the PDK other than track days or hipo driving in the mountains, where I put it in Sport+ and let the fantastic, imperturbable computer handle the perfect shifts within 25rpm of redline every time.
But I knew this wasn’t for me, as much as I loved that GT Silver/Garnet Red car. So I found a GT4 one state away at MSRP+5000, traded the 991 for it even-up, and have never looked back.
If it had been a 7MT it would probably be my forever car.
I had a 997TT and was planning to buy a 2015 Turbo, which was only PDK, of course. Wanted to see what I thought of PDK because I’d never even driven one. No Turbos in stock when I went in, but that was fine, since anything with PDK would do. I drove a 911S for 30 minutes, thought the PDK seemed fantastic. Went back a couple days later, took it out for an hour, liked it even more. Decided the new 911s had gotten so fast I didn’t even need a Turbo but I still wanted PDK. Ordered in Feb, it came in in April, I loved it. Two weeks later I literally sat up in bed in a cold sweat and said, God in heaven, what have I done.
I soldiered on for almost two years with it, put 12k miles and some track days (by the way, if all I did were track days I’d have LOVED PDK), but in the end realized I just didn’t want the computer doing the shifting for me. And more than that, I wanted the physio-mechanical dance of working the clutch and shifter. Not just manually shifting, which I did 100% of the time with the PDK other than track days or hipo driving in the mountains, where I put it in Sport+ and let the fantastic, imperturbable computer handle the perfect shifts within 25rpm of redline every time.
But I knew this wasn’t for me, as much as I loved that GT Silver/Garnet Red car. So I found a GT4 one state away at MSRP+5000, traded the 991 for it even-up, and have never looked back.
That 991.1 is a beaut!! That GT silver metallic on red is spectacular.
Yeah, what you summarized here is, as Brandt said in The Big Lebowski: "This is our concern, Dude". The PDK is awesome and very fast, but I too thoroughly enjoy the act of rowing through the gears. And as much as I would tell myself "you have the Spyder to row the gears", I know I'd probably be kidding myself if I wouldn't want it as well on a 911. Thank you for the reality check!
Turbo + manual would be my criteria. The rest, adjust based on budget and preferred series.
Turbo shines in the highway. Torque on demand no matter what gear you're in. And by turbo, I mean turbines, not the model. So, any 991.2 or 992 Carrera will do.
Manual is a pain in city traffic and slow at the track but it shines on the road. Not enough shifting to be a pain. Just the right amount to keep you entertained, especially on long trips.
Turbo + manual would be my criteria. The rest, adjust based on budget and preferred series.
Turbo shines in the highway. Torque on demand no matter what gear you're in. And by turbo, I mean turbines, not the model. So, any 991.2 or 992 Carrera will do.
Manual is a pain in city traffic and slow at the track but it shines on the road. Not enough shifting to be a pain. Just the right amount to keep you entertained, especially on long trips.
My roadtrip and canyons car is a 992 Carrera T.
I've heard the T is a very good road car.
What were some reasons you chose the T? Seems like it's slotted in between the base model and S. I haven't driven any 991 and newer 911 so I'd love to have some feedback on this.
If you're considering a 991.1 I think you should make sure you drive before you buy. The Electric Power Steering (EPS) in the 991.1 feels quite different from the 981 Spyder. It is possible to upgrade the EPS software to make it a lot better, but in stock form I think most guys agree that the 991.2 steering is much better. There is good information about this in the regular 981 forum thanks to @nhnguy12 .
If you're considering a 991.1 I think you should make sure you drive before you buy. The Electric Power Steering (EPS) in the 991.1 feels quite different from the 981 Spyder. It is possible to upgrade the EPS software to make it a lot better, but in stock form I think most guys agree that the 991.2 steering is much better. There is good information about this in the regular 981 forum thanks to @nhnguy12 .
What were some reasons you chose the T? Seems like it's slotted in between the base model and S. I haven't driven any 991 and newer 911 so I'd love to have some feedback on this.
I consider the T the ultimate Carrera. It's the successor the the 3.2 Clubsport, not the F type T. If you look at it from that POV, it's the lightest Carrera with the best suspension bits and a base Carrera engine that is unofficially programmed with a bit more oomph. If you like raw, driver-focused cars, this is the 911 for you. Of course, it needs to be spec'd correctly as a manual stripper to get the most out of the model.
However, I'm not sure the T would be the right car for you unless your wife enjoys a noisy car. The T, with its light weight glass and light weight insulation, has a louder cabin than the already loud cabin of standard 992s. I did buy mine for road trips and canyon drives but I'll mostly be driving alone. A lot depends on what your wife is willing to tolerate. Its noisy cabin is part of the appeal to me.
I consider the T the ultimate Carrera. It's the successor the the 3.2 Clubsport, not the F type T. If you look at it from that POV, it's the lightest Carrera with the best suspension bits and a base Carrera engine that is unofficially programmed with a bit more oomph. If you like raw, driver-focused cars, this is the 911 for you. Of course, it needs to be spec'd correctly as a manual stripper to get the most out of the model.
However, I'm not sure the T would be the right car for you unless your wife enjoys a noisy car. The T, with its light weight glass and light weight insulation, has a louder cabin than the already loud cabin of standard 992s. I did buy mine for road trips and canyon drives but I'll mostly be driving alone. A lot depends on what your wife is willing to tolerate. Its noisy cabin is part of the appeal to me.
I think my wife would be fine with the noise. We've done 4-5 hour trips in the Spyder with the top down. Compared to that, the T will be quiet!
Sounds like the T would be a perfect complement to the Spyder.
Road noise contributes to fatigue over long distances, and while some of us and our wives are ok with that, focusing on reduced ambient background will be beneficial to most over time.
Similarly, PDK and AWD require less attention.
Related to the first point, I insulated the rear wheel wells and floor of the passenger compartment, and can't recommend it enough. Ambient noise is lower and less fatiguing, contributing to a better (less muddy) sound system AND engine/intake/exhaust.
Related to the first point, I insulated the rear wheel wells and floor of the passenger compartment, and can't recommend it enough. Ambient noise is lower and less fatiguing, contributing to a better (less muddy) sound system AND engine/intake/exhaust.
When you insulated the rear wheel wells did you place it inside the covers or outside facing the rear wheels?
It seems like a lot of the "road noise" I get in my Spyder is coming from that area. I sometimes use foam earplugs on longer drives, which makes an incredible difference, while still allowing me to hear quite well.
07-25-2023 | 03:12 PM
