Multi-link Rear Suspension in a GT4 Clubsport, a Short Review
09-08-2017, 01:42 AM
#16
Former Vendor
Also, over the next few days (possibly a week) if we do not answer our phones or other inquiries via email please leave us a message. We will very likely be without power and cell service for a time after Irma comes through. I will get back to you as quickly as possible, and appreciate you reaching out.
And if worse comes to worst and you see on the news a little red NA Miata with an outboard and a mast sailing across Florida....life goal achieved
And if worse comes to worst and you see on the news a little red NA Miata with an outboard and a mast sailing across Florida....life goal achieved
09-08-2017, 02:11 PM
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John, thanks for clearing things up, I didn't intend to sound like a vendor just wanted to support Josh's enthusiasm for this wonderful addition to our cars. To the Data Nerds, I'm sure AutoQuest can provide the before and after info your looking for.
I will start a new thread in a few weeks about our success with the MRS!!! I'm so excited we took a Street GT4 and turned a 2:25 at Road America!!! put the streets on and drove it home. Furthermore I know there's more time in this car, next step Hoosier R7's off Pirelli slicks on!!!
I will post more pictures and videos as we go, with proper permissions of course. Stay tuned.
To the AutoQuest team stay safe...
I will start a new thread in a few weeks about our success with the MRS!!! I'm so excited we took a Street GT4 and turned a 2:25 at Road America!!! put the streets on and drove it home. Furthermore I know there's more time in this car, next step Hoosier R7's off Pirelli slicks on!!!
I will post more pictures and videos as we go, with proper permissions of course. Stay tuned.
To the AutoQuest team stay safe...
09-08-2017, 02:24 PM
#19
Former Vendor
John, thanks for clearing things up, I didn't intend to sound like a vendor just wanted to support Josh's enthusiasm for this wonderful addition to our cars. To the Data Nerds, I'm sure AutoQuest can provide the before and after info your looking for.
I will start a new thread in a few weeks about our success with the MRS!!! I'm so excited we took a Street GT4 and turned a 2:25 at Road America!!! put the streets on and drove it home. Furthermore I know there's more time in this car, next step Hoosier R7's off Pirelli slicks on!!!
I will post more pictures and videos as we go, with proper permissions of course. Stay tuned.
To the AutoQuest team stay safe...
I will start a new thread in a few weeks about our success with the MRS!!! I'm so excited we took a Street GT4 and turned a 2:25 at Road America!!! put the streets on and drove it home. Furthermore I know there's more time in this car, next step Hoosier R7's off Pirelli slicks on!!!
I will post more pictures and videos as we go, with proper permissions of course. Stay tuned.
To the AutoQuest team stay safe...
Best wishes to any fellow Floridians taking on Irma this weekend. We will be here, and if you are local and need any help give me call any time (or message with the Zello app - username"TopStig"). Be safe!
09-09-2017, 10:41 AM
#20
John...good luck with Irma and don't underestimate it. We are just getting back to normal here in PR. We were lucky the eye didn't went over the island...Keeping and eye now on Hurricane Jose....looks like its following similar track to Irma but moving more tot he north.
09-09-2017, 10:59 AM
#21
Hello Everyone!
Just to clear things up a bit, at this time we are the Sole Distributor of our Multi Link System being run on all the cars reviewed in this thread, and an authorized vendor here on the forums. That being said, a huge THANK YOU to those who are running our system and/or have experienced it first hand, and took the time to post up their testimonials of the system in action. All of your kind words are very much appreciated! Although I've been teasing it here and there, we weren't quite expecting the cat to be completely out of the bag with such excellent interest so quickly haha.
The official product release on our Multi Link Rear Suspension Kit (designed and tested for over 18 months in collaboration with Formula One/Le Mans/IMSA engineer Jay O'Connell) has been in the works by me personally, and I had planned to post it this week along with a full webpage on our site. All the data you are looking for...(costs, suspension geometry, research and development, track testing, etc) is coming and coming shortly.
Unfortunately we had to delay the product release, website update and answers to all your questions due to significant hurricane prep as we are about to take a Category 4 Irma head on this weekend. Fingers crossed we (and the rest of the Floridians) make it through okay. Keep us all in your prayers.
If anyone is sincerely interested in this system and learning more about it before the official release, my cell phone is 484 883 6197. Please feel free to call me any time, I would be happy to fill you in on the nitty gritty of this system and how it alone has without question transformed the GT4's performance. If necessary for direct driver feedback, I will put you on the line with our owner Gavin who personally has several thousand track miles of back to back testing at various tracks with the system, 2500+ miles just in endurance testing the production version on Sebring. Incidentally, Gavin now holds the GT4 lap record around Sebring at a 2:17.53 and well as some other tracks we can discuss if you'd like. Whatever you need for validation and education on the system, we will gladly arrange for you to receive it to make an educated decision moving forward.
P.S.: Jacey you could have know all about this system already lol. I left you a VM the other day to chat about it and setting up an installer in Texas, give me a ring back when you have a chance. As you are quite the technical one among us, I have some camber, toe and roll center graphs to tease you with. Make sure you're sitting down when you look at them, we set our expectations to meet the suspension geometry of the 997 RSR...we exceeded those goals
Just to clear things up a bit, at this time we are the Sole Distributor of our Multi Link System being run on all the cars reviewed in this thread, and an authorized vendor here on the forums. That being said, a huge THANK YOU to those who are running our system and/or have experienced it first hand, and took the time to post up their testimonials of the system in action. All of your kind words are very much appreciated! Although I've been teasing it here and there, we weren't quite expecting the cat to be completely out of the bag with such excellent interest so quickly haha.
The official product release on our Multi Link Rear Suspension Kit (designed and tested for over 18 months in collaboration with Formula One/Le Mans/IMSA engineer Jay O'Connell) has been in the works by me personally, and I had planned to post it this week along with a full webpage on our site. All the data you are looking for...(costs, suspension geometry, research and development, track testing, etc) is coming and coming shortly.
Unfortunately we had to delay the product release, website update and answers to all your questions due to significant hurricane prep as we are about to take a Category 4 Irma head on this weekend. Fingers crossed we (and the rest of the Floridians) make it through okay. Keep us all in your prayers.
If anyone is sincerely interested in this system and learning more about it before the official release, my cell phone is 484 883 6197. Please feel free to call me any time, I would be happy to fill you in on the nitty gritty of this system and how it alone has without question transformed the GT4's performance. If necessary for direct driver feedback, I will put you on the line with our owner Gavin who personally has several thousand track miles of back to back testing at various tracks with the system, 2500+ miles just in endurance testing the production version on Sebring. Incidentally, Gavin now holds the GT4 lap record around Sebring at a 2:17.53 and well as some other tracks we can discuss if you'd like. Whatever you need for validation and education on the system, we will gladly arrange for you to receive it to make an educated decision moving forward.
P.S.: Jacey you could have know all about this system already lol. I left you a VM the other day to chat about it and setting up an installer in Texas, give me a ring back when you have a chance. As you are quite the technical one among us, I have some camber, toe and roll center graphs to tease you with. Make sure you're sitting down when you look at them, we set our expectations to meet the suspension geometry of the 997 RSR...we exceeded those goals
09-09-2017, 11:01 AM
#22
Former Vendor
John...good luck with Irma and don't underestimate it. We are just getting back to normal here in PR. We were lucky the eye didn't went over the island...Keeping and eye now on Hurricane Jose....looks like its following similar track to Irma but moving more tot he north.
08-30-2024, 06:42 AM
#25
Guys,
The attraction and addiction to go fast goodies can be a strong one as most of us know all too well. To that end, I wanted to share my experience about one in particular, a suspension modification, that from a safety and drivability standpoint, may be worth considering.
Short background: I sold my 2016 GT3 because it started misfiring and I got spooked about the top end issues. The GT3 was fun, but I think some of my driving deficiencies were masked by the cars power and electronics. Moreover, I wanted to try something very different, and something perhaps more rewarding, so I sold the GT3 and bought a Clubsport via Autoquest Motorsports in FL.
I am a fairly conservative driver and not a real fast guy, but I can appreciate a safe and neutral handling car on track, so I had Autoquest install their multi-link rear suspension system in the Clubsport, and set-up the suspension and alignment. I had never driven a GT4 before, and just went directly to the multi-link, based on my conversations with other multi-link early adopters who shared that the car was totally predictable at and beyond the limit, and from a safety and confidence standpoint, the multi-link was a big improvement over stock. Two of these multi-link GT4 guys were at Road America recently, and they were railing in those cars, with one guy in the 2:25s which is pretty incredible from my perspective.
As previously posted, the multi-link was designed by a veteran motorsports suspension engineer, Jay O’Connell, in collaboration with Gavin Riches, a seasoned racer with a rally background, and a set-up guru. Those of you may have heard of Jay before, some not, but he most recently worked with the Ford GT team at Le Mans. Sixty plus years of experience at the highest level of motorsports between the two guy’s works for me, so I broke out the plastic without too much hesitation. Plus the wife is pro-safety, so that helped.
So what is the car like? I have since driven the car at Sebring, Road Atlanta, AMP, and now Road America. I can share that the car is compliant and confidence inspiring. No understeer or oversteer surprises, just neutrality. Throttle induced oversteer is easily managed. The car is set up on the soft side and is low and raked. It has never gotten out of shape from bottoming out or oversteer or break-away, even with Gavin driving and me as a passenger with half a tank at Sebring. Gavin is a low teens guy at Sebring, and I can share that it was an eye opening experience riding right seat with him there!
Another blessing: I was fortunate to have a senior driving instructor for the Porsche Sport Driving School NA drive the car at Road America for an entire DE session with me in the right seat. He was there coaching some Goldcrest supported Cup Car guys at the PCA races. In short, it was a thrilling ride and the car got a big thumbs up for its drivability and neutrality. That made me feel extra good about my investment.
Best to all,
Josh G.
The attraction and addiction to go fast goodies can be a strong one as most of us know all too well. To that end, I wanted to share my experience about one in particular, a suspension modification, that from a safety and drivability standpoint, may be worth considering.
Short background: I sold my 2016 GT3 because it started misfiring and I got spooked about the top end issues. The GT3 was fun, but I think some of my driving deficiencies were masked by the cars power and electronics. Moreover, I wanted to try something very different, and something perhaps more rewarding, so I sold the GT3 and bought a Clubsport via Autoquest Motorsports in FL.
I am a fairly conservative driver and not a real fast guy, but I can appreciate a safe and neutral handling car on track, so I had Autoquest install their multi-link rear suspension system in the Clubsport, and set-up the suspension and alignment. I had never driven a GT4 before, and just went directly to the multi-link, based on my conversations with other multi-link early adopters who shared that the car was totally predictable at and beyond the limit, and from a safety and confidence standpoint, the multi-link was a big improvement over stock. Two of these multi-link GT4 guys were at Road America recently, and they were railing in those cars, with one guy in the 2:25s which is pretty incredible from my perspective.
As previously posted, the multi-link was designed by a veteran motorsports suspension engineer, Jay O’Connell, in collaboration with Gavin Riches, a seasoned racer with a rally background, and a set-up guru. Those of you may have heard of Jay before, some not, but he most recently worked with the Ford GT team at Le Mans. Sixty plus years of experience at the highest level of motorsports between the two guy’s works for me, so I broke out the plastic without too much hesitation. Plus the wife is pro-safety, so that helped.
So what is the car like? I have since driven the car at Sebring, Road Atlanta, AMP, and now Road America. I can share that the car is compliant and confidence inspiring. No understeer or oversteer surprises, just neutrality. Throttle induced oversteer is easily managed. The car is set up on the soft side and is low and raked. It has never gotten out of shape from bottoming out or oversteer or break-away, even with Gavin driving and me as a passenger with half a tank at Sebring. Gavin is a low teens guy at Sebring, and I can share that it was an eye opening experience riding right seat with him there!
Another blessing: I was fortunate to have a senior driving instructor for the Porsche Sport Driving School NA drive the car at Road America for an entire DE session with me in the right seat. He was there coaching some Goldcrest supported Cup Car guys at the PCA races. In short, it was a thrilling ride and the car got a big thumbs up for its drivability and neutrality. That made me feel extra good about my investment.
Best to all,
Josh G.
Josh, you are the only owner of this kit to ever own and post something about it on the internet that I've seen. Now that we are 7 years on, could you please enlighten us as to a few things about this kit?
Did you ever try driving a stock GT4 to compare it against your multilinked one? What did maintenance look like for the ML suspension kit, and did you have to replace small parts constantly? Did anything ever break? Did the rear multilinks make any noise in slower gentler driving (more like street)? What was long-term ownership of the car like with this kit, if you kept it?
Thank you for the original review, and hope to hear more about this kit.
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08-30-2024, 11:52 AM
#26
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Blast from the Past, Multi-Link Still Lives
Time marches on but memory still sorta serves. I do miss my Clubsport, but Covid upset some of my plans back then and the car was sold. Nonetheless, many great memories of this compliant and neutral car with O'Connell Car Designs Multi-Link Rear Suspension. Since then, Jay has sold kits worldwide and arrangements can be made with him directly or through Amy at AutoQuest.
Before purchasing, I spoke with other accomplished early adopters who drove their GT4s before and after, and then made my decision. Given that Mr. O'Connell has over 30 years in suspension design and engineering, including Ford, Rahal, and now IMSA, I was comfortable.
The suspension requires no additional maintenance other than checking for tightness and security after driving it with spirit after the first time or so. There is no additional maintenance, nor does it make any noise.
Since this car, Mr. O'Connell has built me a Multi-Link 1988 Porsche 911 using mostly Porsche GT3 parts and the like. It's an air cooled car that rides and handles like a modern GT3.
Before purchasing, I spoke with other accomplished early adopters who drove their GT4s before and after, and then made my decision. Given that Mr. O'Connell has over 30 years in suspension design and engineering, including Ford, Rahal, and now IMSA, I was comfortable.
The suspension requires no additional maintenance other than checking for tightness and security after driving it with spirit after the first time or so. There is no additional maintenance, nor does it make any noise.
Since this car, Mr. O'Connell has built me a Multi-Link 1988 Porsche 911 using mostly Porsche GT3 parts and the like. It's an air cooled car that rides and handles like a modern GT3.