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Porsche Product Manager Thinks Tesla's Model S Is Ludicrous
While some have implied that the "Ludicrous Mode" in Tesla's Model S makes the car a "supercar," at least one Porsche product manager isn't nearly as impressed.
I can verify that "Two launches saps the whole battery" is just BS. When test drove a model S, starting out at 50% battery, after a few launches, the car still have plenty of power left.
no, not true. when we first got the car, i took it out for dozens of 0-60 launches on the 110N and 210N on-ramps with no discernible loss of power. my average times were in the low 3s (3.2-3.4). great fun.
I think he is referring more to the "overheating" of the battery and other components. Porsche takes great pride in keeping all their vehicles at a constant temperature no matter how hard you are driving, and where you maybe driving. Their is no engineering company that i find more fascinating than Porsche!! Always pushing forward!! Amazing work ethic on their end!!
By the time the Mission E reaches market Tesla will have redefined the affordable luxury car market across multiple segments. Unfortunately in this case Porsche is in serious catch up mode.
I've been driving Tesla Roadster for years and the comments from the Porsche Engineer are ridiculous. The car perform at peak performance through a good portion of its charge more launches than most folks would ever do in a day. Even heat soak of the components is not an issue for most driving, the only way you can really heat soak the roadster is track driving, in that point yes the cooling system is insufficient for sustained high stress performance. Porsche is likely going to face the same issue, I don't think the mission e will survive a full track day either, it might last longer on the track but multi session track day is hard on a battery it never has a chance to rest, when on the track its delivering max power, when off the track your charging it for the next session, it never has a chance to cool off. The motor and Power module are easy to solve for heat soak but not the battery.
"set for production", "But we'll likely have to wait until 2019".
See the humor?
Porsche won't recognize how well suited lithium ion is for the street, yet. CEO, Mueller's comments tell it, the way he leans on regulations as the reason any of this is happening. But think, if high end battery powered street cars are better than gas, given they are a lot more expensive to make, would Porsche give up margin and pull that trigger? No, and customers not headed to the 'Ring have other ideas about what they want.
P85D loses a bit of voltage, after repeated launches, as the battery goes down, and as it gets colder. These are batteries. Nobody is scoring their best 11.2 quarter mile, on a 70% charge. Its still slams faster than Porsche is claiming Mission E will be...when it gets here. By that time 1,500 amps from 85kwh will be what Tesla wants it to be, from 100kwh. The P90DL Model X's are already punching 55hp more than Model S P90DL (as DragTimes judges from times/weights).
Two years ago, Audi was talking up its R8 e-Tron. Few, who want this technology trust VW Group any more.
It wasn’t long ago that Porsche claimed all-electric powertrains didn’t offer enough performance to reach the level that their customers expect from the premium German brand. As their work on their first all-electric vehicle progresses, they are now changing their view on the technology and CEO Oliver Blume now says that he expects half of Porsche’s production to be electric by 2023.
The Mission E will be Porsche’s first all-electric vehicle and it is planned to enter production in 2019. Last year, Blume said that they were planning for an annual production of 20,000 units for the new vehicle. It’s a significant volume for the German automaker considering they delivered just over 230,000 vehicles worldwide last year across its entire lineup.
But now they are ready to crank it up with a second all-electric vehicle based on the Macan. In a surprising move, The CEO now says that between the two vehicles, Porsche is preparing for a capacity of 60,000 cars per year at its Zuffenhausen plant. Blume made the comment to Germany’s business magazine Manager Magazin last week. The capacity would quickly make electric vehicles an important part of its overall production and it explains why the CEO now sees them reaching 50% of its total production as soon as 2023, which is much sooner than any established automaker. It wouldn’t be too surprising for the company to achieve its goal if it can truly deliver on the expectations for the Mission E. First of all, the design of the concept is simply stunning:
And the specs that Porsche has released are somewhat arguably competitive with the performance version of the Tesla Model S, which would likely be its main competitor. The Mission E is to have “over 310 miles of range” (500 km) on a single charge, but being based in Germany, Porsche is likely talking about the New European Driving Cycle (NEDC), which is much more forgiving than the EPA rating and doesn’t really reflect real-world range. It’s should still have a more than decent range around 250 miles.
Porsche is also aiming for a 0 to 60 mph acceleration in 3.5 seconds. The automaker also claims that the Mission E will be equipped with a 800-volt charging system able to charge up to 80% in about 15 minutes. We still don’t have a good idea of the pricing, which will, of course, be an important factor. But if Porsche can deliver on the specs, it could be sitting on a great performance electric car.
The performance versions of the Tesla Model S have become the vehicles to beat in some performance car circles. While most know not to try to race one from a standstill because of its insane ludicrous torque, there are still some who dare. It’s funny because we were just discussing yesterday how it wasn’t long ago that Porsche claimed all-electric powertrains didn’t offer enough performance to reach the level that their customers expect from the premium German brand.
Yet, their CEO announced this week that they changed their mind on electric vehicles and plan 50% of their production to be electric within 6 years.
Now we get to see a good real-world representation of this change of mind in a Porsche driver failing to keep up with a Tesla Model S on Ludicrous mode in an embarrassing way:
06-20-2016, 08:56 PM
Porsche Product Manager Thinks Tesla's Model S Is Ludicrous
