When do you guys think the hybrid 911 will come out?
11-29-2021, 09:17 PM
#31
Manual isn't available on the base Carrera, which is going to skew the numbers a lot, so there's that.
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11-29-2021, 09:27 PM
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…hybrids will (eventually) be the standard for 911 models, just as turbo 911’s are today. Will Porsche still continue to make an ICE only 911? Sure….at least for the near term. So what? Small volume, and to my earlier point….most consumers will opt for the quicker hybrid….so they’re “not left behind”. Technology rolls on….
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11-29-2021, 09:44 PM
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Oh boy - a real pissing match! I'll jump back in since I kind of started it. I'm a simpleton when it comes to Porsche - I've only owned 3 (Macan, 718 Cayman, and 2021 911) but I have a LONG history of purchasing "nice cars" and have a strong prior Corvette history. I'd consider myself a true enthusiast even if my pockets aren't quite as deep as some. As most may know, the Macan EV is targeted for 2023. The 2022 Macan was a "redo" - modest but evolutionary in standard Porsche fashion. It is fully planned for both the current ICE Macan AND Macan EV to go forward with simultaneous production. Over time the EV sales will increase and the ICE sales will decrease with an eventual migration to EV only. I predict the EXACT same thing will happen with the 911. At the end of the day performance will dictate the future of the 911 and EV will win. I've been in a Taycan Turbo - THAT is an amazing machine. This is the same argument the air-cooled 911philes made when that era died - and here we are with high performance, liquid cooled, turbo charged NOT NA engines just killing it on a daily basis. Anyone remember when the golden bar was 100 hp per liter - well, we're easily exceeding that with the 3.0 liter engine in either the base or S. Time marches on and so does technology - at the end of the day some purists may yell and scream but Porsche will sell what the consumers want (and what they MUST sell to meet regulatory compliance).
11-29-2021, 09:51 PM
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11-29-2021, 09:54 PM
#35
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See 59:30. Your clear answer is there from one of the the heads at porsche. Maybe in a few decades, if ever - don't hold your breath (and thankfully many wish to leave the 911 alone, and they get it). Again, if you "need" a electric fix, please leave the 911 alone, and kindly go pursue a taycan in good health, enjoy that for what it is. 😉
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11-29-2021, 10:12 PM
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I have no issue with hybrids. My new BMW is (admittedly a very mild 48v hybrid). But even a partially electric powered 911 in the future is fine by me if we can keep the weight down and rear biased.
Why not harness new technology?
Where I have an issue is getting rid of the combustion motor altogether. Hybrid is a gain, but a move to 100% EV is a loss—too much of one. Hearing the flat six is as important to me as the drive is. I cannot see myself even calling a pure EV 911 a “911”, let alone being interested in one.
I pray for those efuels Porsche is developing.
Why not harness new technology?
Where I have an issue is getting rid of the combustion motor altogether. Hybrid is a gain, but a move to 100% EV is a loss—too much of one. Hearing the flat six is as important to me as the drive is. I cannot see myself even calling a pure EV 911 a “911”, let alone being interested in one.
I pray for those efuels Porsche is developing.
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11-29-2021, 10:16 PM
#37
I think an electric boosted flywheel will appear in the drivetrain of 992.2 Turbo, probably as a 2024 model?
When that boosted flywheel shows up in the regular Carrera line is tough to predict. Probably not until the next full refresh. The 994 in 2028 or 2029?
Some 911 models, especially GT cars, will never go hybrid.
When that boosted flywheel shows up in the regular Carrera line is tough to predict. Probably not until the next full refresh. The 994 in 2028 or 2029?
Some 911 models, especially GT cars, will never go hybrid.
I disagree, for the next twenty+ years Porsche will have a 911 version with just an ICE and a manual transmission available for purchase, just like there are still non-turbo charged and non-PDK models available now.
Why do think they are investing so heavily in synthetic fuels?
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...tic-fuel-plant
Why do think they are investing so heavily in synthetic fuels?
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...tic-fuel-plant
I think your position is pretty clear: A few, low volume models of the 911, will remain ICE only. Cool. Never disputed that. I have always said that hybrids, or EV’s are the future and will eventually represent the majority of Porsche sales.
Then, every post after this one, was your attempt at a justification involving Porsche’s excursion into synthetic fuels. The fact of the matter is - every automobile manufacturer is under pressure to reduce their fleet carbon emissions. That’s fine, and I have no doubt Porsche has hopes that their synthetic fuel project will take off, globally. But wishing, hoping and thinking synthetic fuels are the answer, as they go up against the entrenched oil industry, an industry with 100 years of head start…is wishful thinking.
11-29-2021, 10:22 PM
#38
https://youtu.be/mOBl3tcGlLA
See 59:30. Your clear answer is there from one of the the heads at porsche. Maybe in a few decades, if ever - don't hold your breath (and thankfully many wish to leave the 911 alone, and they get it). Again, if you "need" a electric fix, please leave the 911 alone, and kindly go pursue a taycan in good health, enjoy that for what it is. 😉
See 59:30. Your clear answer is there from one of the the heads at porsche. Maybe in a few decades, if ever - don't hold your breath (and thankfully many wish to leave the 911 alone, and they get it). Again, if you "need" a electric fix, please leave the 911 alone, and kindly go pursue a taycan in good health, enjoy that for what it is. 😉
Thx. Yes, he admitted that EV/hybrid 911’s are the future…and as to the date of the “last ICE 911”…well probably after his retirement. But before then, hybrids will find their way into the 911 lineup. That is assured.
11-29-2021, 10:47 PM
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Yes, in Europe at least but maybe not in the US. Many municipalities in Europe are trying to implement local restrictions on ICE vehicles by the 2030's where ICE vehicles are not allowed to be driven in certain zones at all nor the sale of fuel will be permitted.
11-29-2021, 11:03 PM
#40
I can not see that ever happening in the US…at least in my lifetime.
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11-29-2021, 11:22 PM
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I disagree, their synthetic fuel build out it’s far too expensive to be just for racing. They fully intend it to be a way to extend the lifespan of the ICE engine long into the future.
There is also a lot of talk about building ICE engines that run on pure hydrogen. You get the same bang and visceral sensations but the only thing that comes out of the tailpipe is water vapor.
As long as customers want it Porsche will continue to build a normally aspirated ICE engines and a manual transmissions. Just like they do now. Porsche could care less about being “left behind “ when it comes to the 911.
There is also a lot of talk about building ICE engines that run on pure hydrogen. You get the same bang and visceral sensations but the only thing that comes out of the tailpipe is water vapor.
As long as customers want it Porsche will continue to build a normally aspirated ICE engines and a manual transmissions. Just like they do now. Porsche could care less about being “left behind “ when it comes to the 911.
11-30-2021, 11:03 AM
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Removed…😎
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11-30-2021, 11:25 AM
#43
When it launches in the Turbo its one more gen away from the Carrera.
All manufacturers are either lowering there fleet average consumption and/or pulling out of the European market in a few cases. Look it up.
Hybrids is the fastest growing segment in the Italian F & L cars
All manufacturers are either lowering there fleet average consumption and/or pulling out of the European market in a few cases. Look it up.
Hybrids is the fastest growing segment in the Italian F & L cars
11-30-2021, 03:05 PM
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11-30-2021, 05:33 PM
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Recent article in December Excellence lays our Porsches road to EV strategy. States that EV 911's will be 2030+. Macan starts in 21/22, Boxster Cayman 23/24, Panamera 24/25 and Cayenne 25/26.
Of interest is that they say insiders speculate that ICE engine variants may be built concurrently for 5+ years to test the market. One can only hope!
Of interest is that they say insiders speculate that ICE engine variants may be built concurrently for 5+ years to test the market. One can only hope!