Nizer

If I already have Jorge Segers excellent book, will Chris Brown's book be much of a value-add?

ProCoach

Yes, as would Bob Knox's book and Buddy Fey's book, if you can find the latter.

Matt Romanowski

I think Chris' book is always worth having, but it is not as in depth into the details of specific things like Jorge's book. Making Sense of Squiggly Lines is the best "Intro to Data" book going and is primarily driver focused, where Jorge really looks at the overall picture and certainly the chassis much more. Buddy's book "Data Power" is great because it has so many little rules of thumb that were true 30 years ago and still hold true! And if you look right now, there are copies for $100.

Nizer

Ha ha. I knew this would be your answer.

Thanks Matt. The color I was looking for.

Matt Romanowski

Did you scoop up Data Power?

Nizer

No. A little rich for a used paperback. I did grab Squiggly Lines.

Curious if anyone knows this group? https://www.paradigmshiftracing.com/

They have a couple of books that look interesting:

Matt Romanowski

We've talked about those books in another thread in the racing forum and Adam used to post there. I think they are worth having and have a different explanation of driving than you normally see. I like them and have all 3.

2BWise

Anyone know the differences in Jorge's book between editions 1 and 2? Edition 1 looks to be more reasonably priced but I don't want to miss out if there is a lot of revisions that are must-reads in the 2nd edition.

ProCoach

If you’re going to spend the time to install TPMS (Beru, Stack Brightwater, not the inexpensive versions), IR tire temps and suspension displacement/load cell sensors, Volume 2 is a must have. If not, Vol 1 is very good.

Been covered plenty elsewhere, but Adam’s books are all about theory, in my opinion, not practice. Some interesting ideas but suffice it to say, he has not achieved traction with myself and other professionals that I spend time with. Certainly not a data book...

Matt Romanowski

If you have neither, get the second edition without question.

Matt Romanowski

Interesting comment. I've sold lots of inexpensive TPMS units and seen everything in Jorge's book implemented. I've also seen people implement what was taught in his seminars regarding tire warmers and other areas not in the book. All.of these were done with great success, but I guess you've had a different experience?

boxer-11

If books about practical application of data to driver coaching are the goal, I'd nominate Michael Krumm's Driving on the Edge book as well. Not really a data book but he has some technique advice that's explained and supported with data trace representations that I found useful.

Chris' book is great and helped me start thinking about asking questions of the data through math channels (which as an engineer I find strangely fascinating if not uber useful always ). I'm an engineer so Adam's books worked well for me. Bob's book felt a bit derivative to me but it has great ideas on how to set up and organize review of data in a structured way. Buddy's book has great rules of thumb as already mentioned and some useful things for driver coaching ideas -- it's dated but very down to earth and still applicable. And of course Jorge's book is the last word but it's dense and math-heavy and to a degree more aimed at race engineers.

ProCoach

Agreed. Krumm’s book is the best practical application of data to optimize driving technique.

T&T Racing

+1 for Adam...his approach confirmed by a great pro coach I hired