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Old 09-24-2024, 09:38 PM
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Just took my 2020 CPO base in for annual service. I don't know why I do this but I change my oil at half cycles but take it at the service interval for them to give it a once over. Well, I'm glad I did.

69kmi and the water pump is leaking. Thankfully under warranty but "excited" to see how much this repair would have been out of pocket.

I asked the advisor, is this normal or abnormal. "Normal, about this mileage". Good god. I would hope that Porsche would fix the design. 70k miles is too soon for a part like the water pump to fail.
We'll see what's the cost of replacing it..

I had to change one of my Turbos on my 2019 Cayenne S, and the replace cost for just one was $8,000+...

They are not maintainable, so when the vacuum exterior metal handle broke on one, the whole Turbo had to be replaced..

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Originally Posted by damaja
Just took my 2020 CPO base in for annual service. I don't know why I do this but I change my oil at half cycles but take it at the service interval for them to give it a once over. Well, I'm glad I did.

69kmi and the water pump is leaking. Thankfully under warranty but "excited" to see how much this repair would have been out of pocket.

I asked the advisor, is this normal or abnormal. "Normal, about this mileage". Good god. I would hope that Porsche would fix the design. 70k miles is too soon for a part like the water pump to fail.
Thanks for posting this. Did the dealer say how they determined the water pump was leaking? Did you have leaks or drips in the garage/driveway? Overheating or CEL?
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Thanks for posting this. Did the dealer say how they determined the water pump was leaking? Did you have leaks or drips in the garage/driveway? Overheating or CEL?

They found indications of a leak, dried pink coolant originating from the water pump, during an inspection of the car. i would post a clip from their walkaround video but i can’t get it small enough!

I had no indications of leak or CELs. ill double check the garage for drips.
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I have a question on this topic. is it possible with a water pump failure that the vacuum system does not get contaminated? Or what if it was contaminated and the vacuum system wasn’t replaced and just a new water pump was installed? i am looking at purchasing a 2019 Cayenne Turbo that had the water pump replaced about 1,000 miles ago but the owner says they did not replace the vacuum pump or hoses. The repair was also not done at a Porsche shop.
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I have a question on this topic. is it possible with a water pump failure that the vacuum system does not get contaminated? Or what if it was contaminated and the vacuum system wasn’t replaced and just a new water pump was installed? i am looking at purchasing a 2019 Cayenne Turbo that had the water pump replaced about 1,000 miles ago but the owner says they did not replace the vacuum pump or hoses. The repair was also not done at a Porsche shop.
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Check how old the Lithium battery is too..

After two years, many of these batteries begin to fail..

Porsche reduced the defective battery prices from a ripoff $2,000 to $1,000, but still charges $1,000 for simple installation/registration labor..

Or, you need to know that there is the Lithium to AGM battery conversion for around $500..

Each Turbo side costs $8,000 to change since they are not maintainable, so make sure they are working fine..


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Battery was also recently replaced.
I haven’t heard or read of Turbo issues. $8,000 a side! Yikes, I starting to thinking I’m looking at the wrong vehicles. We did just purchase a new Tesla and I have to say beside the insane acceleration the fact that I never need to worry about doing another oil change along with all the potential stuff going bad, is a real pleasure. Maybe a Cyber truck instead! 😂
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Originally Posted by RonVF
I have a question on this topic. is it possible with a water pump failure that the vacuum system does not get contaminated? Or what if it was contaminated and the vacuum system wasn’t replaced and just a new water pump was installed? i am looking at purchasing a 2019 Cayenne Turbo that had the water pump replaced about 1,000 miles ago but the owner says they did not replace the vacuum pump or hoses. The repair was also not done at a Porsche shop.
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Yes it's possible.

There are reports on rennlist and audiworld where water pumps are replaced with no vacuum components replaced, and with the vacuum solenoid replaced but not the vacuum pump.

All combinations of scenarios are possible. The important thing is to keep an eye on the water pump and get it replaced, preferably under warranty, as soon as possible.
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Here are some snap shots from the walkaround video. These show dried coolant, from underneath the car, originating from the water pump and drying on the alternator and belt tensioner. Something to look for, especially since this seems like an early catch. Correction: I have no idea if this is an early catch or not. *shrug*


pink dot on tensioner housing

pink dot on alternator

water pump pink stuff

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Great photos, thanks for posting them!
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Water pump failure is common on the V8 as well? At what mileage do they usually fail and does it fail more commonly/sooner in hot climates?
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Originally Posted by JC68
Water pump failure is common on the V8 as well? At what mileage do they usually fail and does it fail more commonly/sooner in hot climates?
Yes pump failure has been reported on V8.

Failure can occur before 100k miles.

Insufficient data to answer the climate question.
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Originally Posted by chassis
Yes it's possible.

There are reports on rennlist and audiworld where water pumps are replaced with no vacuum components replaced, and with the vacuum solenoid replaced but not the vacuum pump.

All combinations of scenarios are possible. The important thing is to keep an eye on the water pump and get it replaced, preferably under warranty, as soon as possible.
indications from the dealer are that they’re going to replace vacuum items as well. won’t know until it see the final sheet. will update.
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Is water pump failure mileage based or could be time base as well? My .1 turbo is at 39k miles.
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Originally Posted by JC68
Is water pump failure mileage based or could be time base as well? My .1 turbo is at 39k miles.
Unknowable. Water pump active shroud failure root cause appears to be a rod seal failure, which separates vacuum from coolant. Because the seal is polymeric “rubber” time and usage are both factors.

Thermostat and coolant shutoff valve failures are also reported. Similar story - seal failure where time and usage are both factors.


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2020 Turbo, Mine failed a 28,000 miles. No damage to the vacuum system.
The replacement has a 2year warranty.
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