toma nova

This. Pick the right tool for the job. I’d be buying a CPO 2021+ Cayenne Base then adding a cheap off-roader if that’s an actual hobby. If you’re only going on trails, the Cayenne is more than competent with the correct tires and better on the road getting there.

rodsky

I believe they are completely different animals. I have just acquired a 2024 Cayenne e_hybrid. For an SUV its sporty, handles well, and with the air suspension its super comfortable in normal mode. I took a 2024 Cayenne S on the track at PECLA and its shockingly good around corners . I just traded in my 2021 Land Rover Defender which I really liked but its completely different to the Cayenne. I would suggest the Land Rover would be more cross shopped with a Land Cruiser than a Cayenne. I had my LR for 3.5 years and it was rock solid. I'd definitely get another one. Good highway cruiser too (believe it or not - I did many trips from LA to Tahoe in it) with its air suspension and its great in snow and off road. I am sure the Cayenne is capable off road but it feels too "nice" to want to bash it up driving through bad roads and vegetation etc.

ThomasWShea

over 70% of all Porsches are still on the road, so either they are fairly reliable, or the owners are passionate about them and keep them in service by completed required repairs and maintenance.

bmw_e30

100% of all landcruisers built since 1958 are on the road so porsche has a long way to go lol

matthewr87

I personally would never own a Cayenne past the warranty period. We bought our Cayenne GTS CPO when it was just under one year old so it had over 5 years of warranty at the time of our purchase. It is going to be traded in the day before the warranty expires. There are just too many "not if but when" issues with these cars (LiPOS battery failure $3.5K, water pump failure $8K, air suspension failure $6K) that make it a foolish proposition to keep past the warranty period, particularly since the depreciation is so steep that a couple of problems at 5 or 6 years old will be enough to mechanically total the car.

911happy

I like how the LR Defender look very much but I’m afraid of it’s reputation - very unreliable and very costly to repair. For those reasons, I’m not considering it.

911happy

These are issues that I’m afraid of. I can’t imagine driving a time bomb.

911happy

This is why I’m considering the Cayenne, the Porsche driving dynamic. Hard to beat that feeling.

daveo4porsche

given costs to repair should it need it - all Porsche's are time bomb's - other vehicles may have the same reliablty - but are cheaper to repair parts & labor…

Ironman88

If you go for a 2022 or 2023 Cayenne, the vehicle will have an AGM battery rather than the LiFePO4 battery - so issues with the Lithium battery replacement costs can be side-stepped.

If you seek out a CPO vehicle, other repair issues for the most part will also be side-stepped.

Maintenance costs will be higher on the Cayenne, but the fact that you anticipate driving only about 10k miles annually will help in that regard.

Butzi

I had a diatribe penned out and deleted it:
Unless you're going to "overland" all the time, for your 95% on-road: Get the Cayenne!
You can always get a second set of wheels/tires for winters or all-terrains(?).
Markups on the 250 LC are nuts. What about the new 4Runner?
It doesn't sound like you need a second vehicle, but if you want an off roader, get/build one specifically for that use. The Ineos Grenadier has now been out for a year. Has some issues but a ton of potential. I cancelled my early reservation to let it mature.
From a modded 200-Series Land Cruiser owner and daily driver. I cannot wait for my Macan GTS & wife's Cayenne to show up.
If you need more opinions on the 250 LC, go to the ih8mud forums.

EDIT: I probably would not own a modern Porsche out of warranty unless i possessed the skills to repair it. Just not worth the cost. Plan accordingly.

rodsky

I think you'll be surprised at this reputation being pre-2020. The new LR's are different. Do some research and form an opinion after that. Mine had zero issues in 25K miles and 3.5 years. Plus its warrantied. The LR has a beautiful interior, good sound system, rides great on the air suspension

If you're looking for sporty - Cayenne. More rugged offroad chops - LR or LC. If I were looking to buy something reasonably priced to buy and maintain for 10+ years - I'd get an LC. Their reputation of being rock solid and lasting forever is well earned.

Here's my old LR 110 SE

Ironman88

You won't find that in the Land Cruiser... that's for sure...

drcollie

I have owned a 1998 Land Cruiser that I bought new so while not relative to a 2024 model, it was a boring workhorse to drive, with an out-of-date V8 engine that was a gas hog. Kept it 5 years and went to a BMW X5, never regretted selling it.

I have a 2021 Cayenne GTS now (that I just put up for sale yesterday https://rennlist.com/forums/market/1427020) that is a joy to drive, especially on trips - and have had zero maintenance issue with. I liked it so much I have a new 2025 on the water right now that will be ready for pickup in 2 weeks. With three Porsches in the garage right now and having owned them in one form or another since 1977, the have been tough, reliable vehicles. Having said that, dealer prices for service are insane - they really are. My wife's Macan S is due for a PDK filter change and the dealer gets $ 1,750 for that service. Parts are $ 50 and it will take me no more than 2 hours to do myself.

For a pre-owned Cayenne if you want to use the Dealer for service just extend the warranty for as long as you like, it's about $ 1,500 per year from your Porsche Dealer. Or, find a good independent if not doing things in your garage. The worst choice is to go out-of-pocket at the Dealer, however.