2025+ GTS orders
#361
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#362
there are two nearly identical videos in the account: a 24 regular cayenne (optioned to look like a gts), and the 25 gts, mislabeled as a 24.
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#364
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Build locked, the wait begins.
#365
The 2025 Porsche Cayenne GTS Is How Dads Go Fast (motor1.com)
one of the first reviews, really wish the test cars didn't come with the lightweight packages so we can see how each color goes with the high gloss parts
one of the first reviews, really wish the test cars didn't come with the lightweight packages so we can see how each color goes with the high gloss parts
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#366
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Agreed, it's like they expect all Coupe orders to come with the Lightweight Package, yet none of those options allow for the HGB trim that they specifically spec'd for the GTS trim, seems like an odd spec decision. I'm also assuming uptake on the LWP won't be high given the compramizes made on the pano roof, vented seats and tow hitch. Would have been nice if these were all stand alone options as well. At the price point I think if you were optioning the LWP you could probably get a lightly used Turbo GT for the same $'s.
#367
Edit: Leeds Dealer is in UK.
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#368
I hit my Change Freeze Point in 2 days
Would really appreciate any feedback you're willing to give -
https://configurator.porsche.com/porsche-code/PSHG38K0
My concerns are:
Feel free to criticize any part of this, Really appreciate feedback from experienced owners (This is a first Porsche for me)
https://configurator.porsche.com/porsche-code/PSHG38K0
My concerns are:
- Do we think the 21" wheels will look "Small" IRL given the higher sidewalls on 2024+ MY Cayenne
- Thoughts on Interior? I was leaning Club Barrique leather for weeks now but this GTS specific interior feels like it will make for a very fun ride
- 18 way seats vs standard 8 way. Worth the $$? I've sat in the 18 way at the dealership (albeit in standard leather) and they felt fine
- Thermal glass and impact on Cell Signal - There's a couple crappy areas near my house I'm a little worried about
Feel free to criticize any part of this, Really appreciate feedback from experienced owners (This is a first Porsche for me)
#369
i see. i also wonder if these videos might be just some fancy animated config visualizer
#370
Would really appreciate any feedback you're willing to give -
https://configurator.porsche.com/porsche-code/PSHG38K0
My concerns are:
Feel free to criticize any part of this, Really appreciate feedback from experienced owners (This is a first Porsche for me)
https://configurator.porsche.com/porsche-code/PSHG38K0
My concerns are:
- Do we think the 21" wheels will look "Small" IRL given the higher sidewalls on 2024+ MY Cayenne
- Thoughts on Interior? I was leaning Club Barrique leather for weeks now but this GTS specific interior feels like it will make for a very fun ride
- 18 way seats vs standard 8 way. Worth the $$? I've sat in the 18 way at the dealership (albeit in standard leather) and they felt fine
- Thermal glass and impact on Cell Signal - There's a couple crappy areas near my house I'm a little worried about
Feel free to criticize any part of this, Really appreciate feedback from experienced owners (This is a first Porsche for me)
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#371
Would really appreciate any feedback you're willing to give -
https://configurator.porsche.com/porsche-code/PSHG38K0
My concerns are:
Feel free to criticize any part of this, Really appreciate feedback from experienced owners (This is a first Porsche for me)
https://configurator.porsche.com/porsche-code/PSHG38K0
My concerns are:
- Do we think the 21" wheels will look "Small" IRL given the higher sidewalls on 2024+ MY Cayenne
- Thoughts on Interior? I was leaning Club Barrique leather for weeks now but this GTS specific interior feels like it will make for a very fun ride
- 18 way seats vs standard 8 way. Worth the $$? I've sat in the 18 way at the dealership (albeit in standard leather) and they felt fine
- Thermal glass and impact on Cell Signal - There's a couple crappy areas near my house I'm a little worried about
Feel free to criticize any part of this, Really appreciate feedback from experienced owners (This is a first Porsche for me)
#372
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Would really appreciate any feedback you're willing to give -
https://configurator.porsche.com/porsche-code/PSHG38K0
My concerns are:
Feel free to criticize any part of this, Really appreciate feedback from experienced owners (This is a first Porsche for me)
https://configurator.porsche.com/porsche-code/PSHG38K0
My concerns are:
- Do we think the 21" wheels will look "Small" IRL given the higher sidewalls on 2024+ MY Cayenne
- Thoughts on Interior? I was leaning Club Barrique leather for weeks now but this GTS specific interior feels like it will make for a very fun ride
- 18 way seats vs standard 8 way. Worth the $$? I've sat in the 18 way at the dealership (albeit in standard leather) and they felt fine
- Thermal glass and impact on Cell Signal - There's a couple crappy areas near my house I'm a little worried about
Feel free to criticize any part of this, Really appreciate feedback from experienced owners (This is a first Porsche for me)
21" wheels still look good - even better now with the meaty sidewalls.
You cant go wrong with either interior you listed. I think the GTS interior feels sportier.
18 way seats are the way to go - Very worth it to try the seats if you can. I am not a fan of the 14 ways but many love them, so I think this is body type specific. If you are between the 8 and 18, and in doubt, go 18 way.
I skipped thermal glass because of signal concern.
PDCC is worth every penny
#373
The 2025 Porsche Cayenne GTS Is How Dads Go Fast (motor1.com)
one of the first reviews, really wish the test cars didn't come with the lightweight packages so we can see how each color goes with the high gloss parts
one of the first reviews, really wish the test cars didn't come with the lightweight packages so we can see how each color goes with the high gloss parts
#375
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Depends on how you define “speaker”. Here’s my deep dive into Porsche’s fake engine sound in my post titled, “All Natural or Augmented? Sound Off With Your Preference!”
https://rennlist.com/forums/cayenne-...reference.html
I’m a big fan of all natural but always happy to check out augmented engine sound.
The owner’s manual, when describing Sport and Sport+ Mode, makes vague reference to “Optimized engine sound in the vehicle interior”. So what is that? Just how is it optimized? Is it natural or is it augmented with audio trickery? In other words, is it Memorex or Milli Vanilli? This called for another deep-dive into the rabbit hole!
Sound is a large part of the Porsche driving experience. Early air-cooled Porsche engines generated a cacophony of valve train noise, cooling fans, and the unmistakable raspy bark of the flat-six exhaust. Glorious!
EU drive-by noise regulations signaled the end of the air-cooled engines. Additionally, consumer demand for quiet interior during highway cruising resulted in more and more soundproofing to further deaden any remaining engine sound. But what about those who want that sensory experience of that glorious engine for which they paid the big bucks?
Sport exhaust partially solved that problem. With valved exhaust, drivers could choose differing sound levels. That is, within EU sound regulation limitations. ☹️ That’s great if you have the windows down. Windows up; not so much.
Head acoustics engineer Dr. Bernhard Pfäfflin states that the Porsche engine sound is not artificially created; it’s authentic. “Artificially generating sounds and adding them to the drive spectrum through speakers is absolutely out of the question.” So how do they make cockpit noise louder without reducing soundproofing or using speakers?
https://www.porsche.com/usa/aboutpor...iew/article06/
Enter the Porsche Sound Symposer system. The Sound Symposer ducts existing *natural* air intake noise through sound tubes into the cockpit — just like a stethoscope. The system is valved similar to the Sport Exhaust system. Quiet on the highway and rowdy during sport driving. Awesome solution! 👍🏼 Here’s a diagram of the system installed on last gen’s Cayenne GTS:
https://www.excellence-mag.com/issue...-engine-sounds
But wait! The Sound Symposer is not installed on our 9Y0 Cayennes. How is the interior engine sound optimized? Remember how Dr. Pfäfflin stated Porsche would never use speakers to augment the sound? The truth depends on your definition of “speaker”.
Porsche installs Soundaktors in the 9Y0 Cayennes. Soundaktors have a horrible reputation with VAG enthusiasts, so Porsche won’t call them that. Instead, Porsche calls them “Actuator for Impact Sound”. Sorry, Porsche, but it has the same part number as the VAG Soundaktor: 4H0907601D. Busted.
This system uses a hockey-puck-size voice coil to vibrate the firewall and windshield; similar to a sound board in an upright piano. It is essentially a speaker that uses the firewall instead of a speaker cone to generate sound. VAG uses the same system in Golfs, Jettas, Beetles, and certain Audis. EDIT: Also installed in the Lamborghini Urus. Understandably, Porsche doesn’t really want to talk about this.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/car...roar-11291754/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soundaktor
Next question. What is the source of the sound being produced by thespeaker, er, Soundaktor? (Sorry. Porsche said they don’t use speakers.) In other VAG applications, the Soundaktor reportedly plays recorded sound files — MP3’s so to speak. Pretty cheesy, if you ask me. VAG denies this. Oh really? Page 20 of Audi’s self study program specifically addresses the sound files. It also calls the Soundaktor a speaker without a speaker cone.
https://www.audiclub.fi/audifinns/fi...tch?id=1628364
From what I can tell, Porsche installs a sort of microphone in the engine compartment. Porsche calls it “Loudspeaker, Engine Sound System.” Is the sound transmitted as it was captured, or is it augmented? I don’t know. Perhaps it is processed to eliminate road noise or other undesirable sounds. Regardless, that sound is converted to an electrical signal and played by the Soundaktor when in Sport and Sport+ mode. Other VAG applications allow drivers to modify the sound and adjust the volume. No such capability is available in the PCM.
https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...ned-tech-dept/
I think Porsche wants as little attention as possible with this system. It seems as though VAG bean counters are overruling Porsche sound engineers. No mention of it in any Porsche technical documents. I found it hiding in the parts diagrams. But they were awfully proud of the previous Sound Symposer system and published several documents expounding it’s virtues. Not a peep about the Soundaktor from a VW Beetle.
I’ve tested the system by switching between Sport, Sport+, and Normal while maintaining steady throttle and manual gear selection. It indeed augments the sound with a deeper note which is noticeable if you are listening for it. No difference between Sport and Sport+ though.
I’m a little disappointed that my Porsche uses the same engine sound system as a VW Beetle. Honestly, I would have preferred all natural. How about you?
https://rennlist.com/forums/cayenne-...reference.html
I’m a big fan of all natural but always happy to check out augmented engine sound.
The owner’s manual, when describing Sport and Sport+ Mode, makes vague reference to “Optimized engine sound in the vehicle interior”. So what is that? Just how is it optimized? Is it natural or is it augmented with audio trickery? In other words, is it Memorex or Milli Vanilli? This called for another deep-dive into the rabbit hole!
Sound is a large part of the Porsche driving experience. Early air-cooled Porsche engines generated a cacophony of valve train noise, cooling fans, and the unmistakable raspy bark of the flat-six exhaust. Glorious!
EU drive-by noise regulations signaled the end of the air-cooled engines. Additionally, consumer demand for quiet interior during highway cruising resulted in more and more soundproofing to further deaden any remaining engine sound. But what about those who want that sensory experience of that glorious engine for which they paid the big bucks?
Sport exhaust partially solved that problem. With valved exhaust, drivers could choose differing sound levels. That is, within EU sound regulation limitations. ☹️ That’s great if you have the windows down. Windows up; not so much.
Head acoustics engineer Dr. Bernhard Pfäfflin states that the Porsche engine sound is not artificially created; it’s authentic. “Artificially generating sounds and adding them to the drive spectrum through speakers is absolutely out of the question.” So how do they make cockpit noise louder without reducing soundproofing or using speakers?
https://www.porsche.com/usa/aboutpor...iew/article06/
Enter the Porsche Sound Symposer system. The Sound Symposer ducts existing *natural* air intake noise through sound tubes into the cockpit — just like a stethoscope. The system is valved similar to the Sport Exhaust system. Quiet on the highway and rowdy during sport driving. Awesome solution! 👍🏼 Here’s a diagram of the system installed on last gen’s Cayenne GTS:
https://www.excellence-mag.com/issue...-engine-sounds
But wait! The Sound Symposer is not installed on our 9Y0 Cayennes. How is the interior engine sound optimized? Remember how Dr. Pfäfflin stated Porsche would never use speakers to augment the sound? The truth depends on your definition of “speaker”.
Porsche installs Soundaktors in the 9Y0 Cayennes. Soundaktors have a horrible reputation with VAG enthusiasts, so Porsche won’t call them that. Instead, Porsche calls them “Actuator for Impact Sound”. Sorry, Porsche, but it has the same part number as the VAG Soundaktor: 4H0907601D. Busted.
This system uses a hockey-puck-size voice coil to vibrate the firewall and windshield; similar to a sound board in an upright piano. It is essentially a speaker that uses the firewall instead of a speaker cone to generate sound. VAG uses the same system in Golfs, Jettas, Beetles, and certain Audis. EDIT: Also installed in the Lamborghini Urus. Understandably, Porsche doesn’t really want to talk about this.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/car...roar-11291754/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soundaktor
Next question. What is the source of the sound being produced by the
https://www.audiclub.fi/audifinns/fi...tch?id=1628364
From what I can tell, Porsche installs a sort of microphone in the engine compartment. Porsche calls it “Loudspeaker, Engine Sound System.” Is the sound transmitted as it was captured, or is it augmented? I don’t know. Perhaps it is processed to eliminate road noise or other undesirable sounds. Regardless, that sound is converted to an electrical signal and played by the Soundaktor when in Sport and Sport+ mode. Other VAG applications allow drivers to modify the sound and adjust the volume. No such capability is available in the PCM.
https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...ned-tech-dept/
I think Porsche wants as little attention as possible with this system. It seems as though VAG bean counters are overruling Porsche sound engineers. No mention of it in any Porsche technical documents. I found it hiding in the parts diagrams. But they were awfully proud of the previous Sound Symposer system and published several documents expounding it’s virtues. Not a peep about the Soundaktor from a VW Beetle.
I’ve tested the system by switching between Sport, Sport+, and Normal while maintaining steady throttle and manual gear selection. It indeed augments the sound with a deeper note which is noticeable if you are listening for it. No difference between Sport and Sport+ though.
I’m a little disappointed that my Porsche uses the same engine sound system as a VW Beetle. Honestly, I would have preferred all natural. How about you?
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