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Old Apr 22, 2024 | 09:56 PM
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This thread is a compilation of known 9Y0 problems and failures. Solutions may or may not exist.

- .1 lurching, surging or lurging when downshifting - believed to be related to the dual mass torque converter damper
- .1 6th gear vibration or shudder - believed to be related to the wet multi-plate torque transfer clutch mounted on the rear of the transmission - mainly affects V6 powertrains
- controllable water pump shroud seal failure - causes collateral damage to the vacuum system - can affect V6 and V8 engines
- oil vapor separators - regular maintenance item on all modern German direct injection engines - can cause excessive crankcase vacuum or pressure which can fail seals and gaskets - can affect V6 and V8 engines
- .1 Porsche Surface Coated Brakes - squealing, no known solution other than changing to standard rotors and pads
- early .1 LiFePO4 main battery - can fail prematurely - members have reported the battery is replaceable under warranty. Late .1 and all .2 use AGM batteries.

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Old Apr 22, 2024 | 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by chassis
ADMIN REQUEST: Please make this a sticky as in other forum sections. Thanks!
@icemang @garrett376 @John Mclane @911SLOW @hacker-pschorr

This thread is a compilation of known 9Y0 problems and failures. Solutions may or may not exist.

- .1 lurching, surging or lurging when downshifting - believed to be related to the dual mass torque converter damper
- .1 6th gear vibration or shudder - believed to be related to the wet multi-plate torque transfer clutch mounted on the rear of the transmission - mainly affects V6 powertrains
- controllable water pump shroud seal failure - causes collateral damage to the vacuum system - can affect V6 and V8 engines
- oil vapor separators - regular maintenance item on all modern German direct injection engines - can cause excessive crankcase vacuum or pressure which can fail seals and gaskets - can affect V6 and V8 engines
- .1 Porsche Surface Coated Brakes - squealing, no known solution other than changing to standard rotors and pads
- early .1 LiFePO4 main battery - can fail prematurely - members have reported the battery is replaceable under warranty
Very useful info. How do you determine water pump shroud failure or oil separator failures?
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Old Apr 22, 2024 | 10:59 PM
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Very useful info. How do you determine water pump shroud failure or oil separator failures?
Water pump shroud can generate CEL and underboost fault:
https://rennlist.com/forums/cayenne-9y0-2019/1405225-9ya-9y0-cayenne-cooling-issues.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/cayenne-9y0-2019/1372288-2020-cayenne-water-pump-and-vacuum-system-replacement-cost.html



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I have had a failed oil separator. I was about 450 miles from home. I was please that they were able to get me a (crappy) loaner.
https://rennlist.com/forums/cayenne-...separator.html

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Vapor separator failure can generate CEL and misfire.

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Old Apr 23, 2024 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by chassis
ADMIN REQUEST: Please make this a sticky as in other forum sections. Thanks!
@icemang @garrett376 @John Mclane @911SLOW @hacker-pschorr

This thread is a compilation of known 9Y0 problems and failures. Solutions may or may not exist.

- .1 lurching, surging or lurging when downshifting - believed to be related to the dual mass torque converter damper
- .1 6th gear vibration or shudder - believed to be related to the wet multi-plate torque transfer clutch mounted on the rear of the transmission - mainly affects V6 powertrains
- controllable water pump shroud seal failure - causes collateral damage to the vacuum system - can affect V6 and V8 engines
- oil vapor separators - regular maintenance item on all modern German direct injection engines - can cause excessive crankcase vacuum or pressure which can fail seals and gaskets - can affect V6 and V8 engines
- .1 Porsche Surface Coated Brakes - squealing, no known solution other than changing to standard rotors and pads
- early .1 LiFePO4 main battery - can fail prematurely - members have reported the battery is replaceable under warranty
About the emphasized language quoted above - I believe what’s stated is incorrect. From what I’ve read in other posts in this forum, empirical evidence suggests the problem may be due to a defect in the transfer case. At least one member reported resolving the problem by his dealer replacing the transfer case under warranty. A previous working theory of the problem’s cause was due to a transmission mount. Some members reportedly replaced the mount, to no lasting effect. Glad to be corrected if I’m wrong, but to my knowledge no member has resolved the 6th gear vibration problem by replacing or repairing any part of the transmission or torque transfer clutch.
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About the emphasized language quoted above - I believe what’s stated is incorrect. From what I’ve read in other posts in this forum, empirical evidence suggests the problem may be due to a defect in the transfer case. At least one member reported resolving the problem by his dealer replacing the transfer case under warranty. A previous working theory of the problem’s cause was due to a transmission mount. Some members reportedly replaced the mount, to no lasting effect. Glad to be corrected if I’m wrong, but to my knowledge no member has resolved the 6th gear vibration problem by replacing or repairing any part of the transmission or torque transfer clutch.
Transfer case = wet multi plate clutch. We agree.

There is no definitive root cause, we agree.

Transmission mount replacement is not the problem or the solution, we agree.

The problem is believed to be rooted in the wet multi-plate clutch device.
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Old Apr 23, 2024 | 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by chassis
Transfer case = wet multi plate clutch. We agree.

There is no definitive root cause, we agree.

Transmission mount replacement is not the problem or the solution, we agree.

The problem is believed to be rooted in the wet multi-plate clutch device.
Thanks for clarifying! I was not aware the wet multi-plate clutch device is (or is in) the transfer case.

Would you be able to edit your original post to make this clear for others who, like me, are not as deeply steeped in the inner workings and parts nomenclature of the car? It would help those of us, seeing your post, in explaining to a dealer what may be the cause of and possible fix for the vibration problem.
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Old May 20, 2024 | 12:24 PM
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OK, so how many (if any) of these problems have been "corrected" or "solved" for MY 2024 Cayennes?
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Originally Posted by cometguy
OK, so how many (if any) of these problems have been "corrected" or "solved" for MY 2024 Cayennes?
Same question here! Was looking to buy 2023 Cayenne Turbo but wanted to do some
research before I pull the trigger
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OK, so how many (if any) of these problems have been "corrected" or "solved" for MY 2024 Cayennes?
No official confirmation that the 6th gear vibration/shudder has been solved by Porsche. There are fewer complains 2022 and later.

Same with lurching/surging, late .1 seem to have fewer reports of it.

PSCB brakes are discontinued to my knowledge.

LiFePO4 batteries are discontinued since late .1.

No change on oil vapor separator or water pump updates.

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Old May 21, 2024 | 08:15 AM
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No official confirmation that the 6th gear vibration/shudder has been solved by Porsche. There are fewer complains 2022 and later.

Same with lurching/surging, late .1 seem to have fewer reports of it. ….
I have a 2022. I can say for certain the 6th gear vibration is NOT fixed. It is very noticeable in my car. However, the lurching/surging issue IS fixed. Shifting is very smooth.
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42,000 miles on our 2022 GTS, never had this 6th gear issue. I’m probably lucky.
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Originally Posted by LSR
I have a 2022. I can say for certain the 6th gear vibration is NOT fixed. It is very noticeable in my car. However, the lurching/surging issue IS fixed. Shifting is very smooth.
What model trim do you have?
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