9Y0 Cayenne GTS Release Update
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Yea those center tips look awesome. But you won't be able to get tow hitch with that but then that would defeat the purpose of lightweight.
I do wish that it had another color like we got for the 958 launch with Carmine red and Peridot Green. I don't like Peridot Green but a nice forest green or British Racing Green would be awesome on this with tan/brown seats.
Edit: Watched the video and the central exhaust does sound a little better. I'm not as much of a fan of the coupe body but that makes it more tempting.
I do wish that it had another color like we got for the 958 launch with Carmine red and Peridot Green. I don't like Peridot Green but a nice forest green or British Racing Green would be awesome on this with tan/brown seats.
Edit: Watched the video and the central exhaust does sound a little better. I'm not as much of a fan of the coupe body but that makes it more tempting.
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I also agree re: the tow hitch on this coupe lightweight package. Any room there for the tow hitch? Seems really tight.
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Agreed. But how much weight savings in lightweight?! I think they were getting creative with naming option packages. 50 lbs on a nearly 5,000 lb vehicle, really?
I also agree re: the tow hitch on this couple lightweight package. Any room there for the tow hitch? Seems really tight.
I also agree re: the tow hitch on this couple lightweight package. Any room there for the tow hitch? Seems really tight.
I think it's about 60 pounds not including PCCB which would probably make it closer to 85 pounds or so. The wheels might be lighter as well so the 30-35 pounds of unsprung weight loss could be noticeable.
I'm still taken back by the massive increase with Base MSRP considering all of the complaints I've heard due to fitment and quality issues with the new cayenne compared to say a 958 or 958.2.
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The thing is, base price in CH is artificially high, so then they give you "Swiss package" for "free". The value of this package is. around 10k and includes Air Suspension, LED Matrix, Bose system etc. You also get an extended 2+2 warranty for free.
But overall, GTS is nicely priced, around 40-50k less than the equally equipped Turbo.
The lightweight package is one of the worst options I have ever seen. I don't mind the cost, the ridiculously small weight reduction for absurdly high price, but I do mind that they force you to take it in order the get the coolest available rims (GT) and central exhaust system.
The problem is, it removes panoramic roof.
Why on earth I have to give up the panoramic roof in order to have nice wheels or centrally positioned exhaust?
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What are your thoughts about the mechanical differences between GTS and Turbo in the engine/gearbox department?
Panamera GTS has a slightly different gearbox/clutch than Turbo, it has a lower max torque rating, which makes tuning a bit tricky.
Do you think that we will have the same case here?
On one side, they probably don't want to make it easy to tune GTS to Turbo power, but on the other, not sure if they would bother to get a different, weaker gearbox for an SUV with quite high towing capacity. Also, Panamera has the PDK, while Cayenne has the ZF8 gearbox, which might also make a difference.
Panamera GTS has a slightly different gearbox/clutch than Turbo, it has a lower max torque rating, which makes tuning a bit tricky.
Do you think that we will have the same case here?
On one side, they probably don't want to make it easy to tune GTS to Turbo power, but on the other, not sure if they would bother to get a different, weaker gearbox for an SUV with quite high towing capacity. Also, Panamera has the PDK, while Cayenne has the ZF8 gearbox, which might also make a difference.
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What are your thoughts about the mechanical differences between GTS and Turbo in the engine/gearbox department?
Panamera GTS has a slightly different gearbox/clutch than Turbo, it has a lower max torque rating, which makes tuning a bit tricky.
Do you think that we will have the same case here?
On one side, they probably don't want to make it easy to tune GTS to Turbo power, but on the other, not sure if they would bother to get a different, weaker gearbox for an SUV with quite high towing capacity. Also, Panamera has the PDK, while Cayenne has the ZF8 gearbox, which might also make a difference.
Panamera GTS has a slightly different gearbox/clutch than Turbo, it has a lower max torque rating, which makes tuning a bit tricky.
Do you think that we will have the same case here?
On one side, they probably don't want to make it easy to tune GTS to Turbo power, but on the other, not sure if they would bother to get a different, weaker gearbox for an SUV with quite high towing capacity. Also, Panamera has the PDK, while Cayenne has the ZF8 gearbox, which might also make a difference.
Porsche would never lower the capabilities or limitations of components for a model specifically to make it less "tune-able" in order to protect the higher trim level of a model. They assume buyers will not modify their cars because 99.9% of Porsche owners will never change more than tires and oil.
Speaking to limitations, Porsche over-engineers everything related to power delivery and drivetrain components with their cars. There's unlimited evidence out there to support this claim, and if we're simply speaking to a tune, these cars can handle that with ease. This assumes you've done your diligence and chose adequate software for your tune, which I hope is a given for Porsche owners.
You mentioned PDK vs ZF. While the PDK is hands down known as one of the best, if not the best, auto-manual transmissions on the planet, the ZF is stronger. There's a reason Porsche puts the ZF in the Cayennes and that's for towing purposes. Point being, the ZF is a torque handling monster. Porsche and Audi share their ZF transmissions (Porsche does tweak their own trans software, but internal components are the same), and there are countless Audi RS7s with factory ZFs running 800-900 ft/lbs of torque on a daily basis, zero issues. And speaking to being underrated, I had the DCT (PDK wanna-be dual clutch) in my 2017 stage 3 S6. The DCT trans was rated at 475tq, I ran 750+tq for over 2 years and drove spiritedly, zero slip, zero issues. Germans over-engineer. Porsche over-engineer even more.