Future Cayenne owner... ditching the BMW X5
01-31-2019, 10:08 PM
#16
Think of PASM as what Adaptive Drive does for the X5, and then add PDCC and that's what Adaptive drive should be..
I came from an e70 to the 958.1 GTS. I had the pre LCI e70 4.8. I had adaptive drive and my GTS without PDCC is more planted in the corners, however I would say that the X5 felt a bit more solid at speed because of it's weight. It weighed about 600 pounds more.
Interior feel will be much more luxurious in the Cayenne than the X5 though.
I came from an e70 to the 958.1 GTS. I had the pre LCI e70 4.8. I had adaptive drive and my GTS without PDCC is more planted in the corners, however I would say that the X5 felt a bit more solid at speed because of it's weight. It weighed about 600 pounds more.
Interior feel will be much more luxurious in the Cayenne than the X5 though.
I like E70 the most since it's got hydraulic steering. F15/16 base is like what OP said, a boat.
F15/16 with DHP is like Porsche PASM + PDCC + PTV. It handles very well and also changes the steering feel, but ride is harsh.
Now I have the Cayenne base with PASM (no-air). I can say it handles as well as X5 with DHP, but a lot more comfortable. There are few things BMW does better, like surround camera, some electrical stuff, more storage for front passengers, and the engine and transmission is tuned better.
Overall, I will still take cayenne over X5.
01-31-2019, 10:10 PM
#17
I have active anti-roll and torque vectoring on my X6 but no PDCC on my cayenne, I can tell you don't need PDCC, it drives like cars already with minimal body roll.
01-31-2019, 10:49 PM
#18
We came out of F15 X5 with M Sport 20s and into a base cayenne with 21s. The handling is night and day. I always felt that the X5 relied solely on the tires for handling. Our X5 had summer Continental tires with 275 front & 315s on the rear, it handles decent but it's sloppy when pushed. At 50% to 75%, the car is poised and balanced but anything above that, it starts to get exposed. With our 19 Cayenne the chassis is much more balanced. Since it's still new and haven't been pressed hard, I can't say for sure it will stay that way above 80% but it certainly feels that way. I have 21s with the 275 f and 315 r. I feel that the 20s are just too small looking and they might not provide as much grip.
01-31-2019, 11:53 PM
#19
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I came from a X5M. The BMW is a great SAV/SUV and comes with performance options like a loaded Turbo (minus rear wheel steering) but at a much lower price point. However, the BMW is about 400-500 lbs heavier, which is noticeable. Even though I loved my X5M, the Cayenne Turbo with performance options clearly handles better. I think the interior screens and tech are now similar between BMW and Porsche, mostly because Porsche has taken a big step forward in this iteration of the Cayenne.
02-01-2019, 05:10 PM
#20
Thank you everyone for the clarity. It’s hard not to go overboard with options ... and trying to discern which are more a “for sure.”
It seems like PASM seems to be universally liked. And I find it interesting that it becomes standard as you go up the model range.
Regarding 20 vs 21 inch wheels, I have definitely decided to go with at least 20. 21 seems appealing but the option I would want would be roughly 3.5K more. Would it really be a noticeable performance change?
The base model I drove had 19” wheels, I believe, and I was content. Perhaps if I just don’t drive a 21” model and experience it?
Ignorance is bliss.
It seems like PASM seems to be universally liked. And I find it interesting that it becomes standard as you go up the model range.
Regarding 20 vs 21 inch wheels, I have definitely decided to go with at least 20. 21 seems appealing but the option I would want would be roughly 3.5K more. Would it really be a noticeable performance change?
The base model I drove had 19” wheels, I believe, and I was content. Perhaps if I just don’t drive a 21” model and experience it?
Ignorance is bliss.