The brake job
09-24-2020, 12:46 AM
#16
Burning Brakes
Torque settings do seem to be missing from alldata. Give this a look for torque settings.
https://www.renntech.org/topic/44544...comment-307926
BTW - It seems when replacing the bolts the correct torque value is 104 ft/lbs and not the original factory values as listed above.
It's been so long since I did mine I forget which I used though I'd guess it's the 104 number as I likely followed the Brake pad procedure for 2011 Cayenne thread
https://www.renntech.org/topic/44544...comment-307926
BTW - It seems when replacing the bolts the correct torque value is 104 ft/lbs and not the original factory values as listed above.
It's been so long since I did mine I forget which I used though I'd guess it's the 104 number as I likely followed the Brake pad procedure for 2011 Cayenne thread
Last edited by Tom M; 09-24-2020 at 01:19 AM.
09-24-2020, 08:13 AM
#17
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
Torque settings do seem to be missing from alldata. Give this a look for torque settings.
https://www.renntech.org/topic/44544...comment-307926
BTW - It seems when replacing the bolts the correct torque value is 104 ft/lbs and not the original factory values as listed above.
It's been so long since I did mine I forget which I used though I'd guess it's the 104 number as I likely followed the Brake pad procedure for 2011 Cayenne thread
https://www.renntech.org/topic/44544...comment-307926
BTW - It seems when replacing the bolts the correct torque value is 104 ft/lbs and not the original factory values as listed above.
It's been so long since I did mine I forget which I used though I'd guess it's the 104 number as I likely followed the Brake pad procedure for 2011 Cayenne thread
Forgot about spline sockets....now ordering
09-24-2020, 10:26 AM
#19
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
Wonder if anyone local to me has bearing puller/presser.. thinking of changing it out just in case.
09-24-2020, 03:03 PM
#20
Burning Brakes
Mine are squeaking and I've had the car since dec.31 2018. Pedal feels a bit lower and not as crisp braking as when I got it first.
Also have some small shimmy in the steering at speed. Wheels all balanced. Seems like its coming from driver front side.
My full plan is step by step.
I'm going to do all four corners rotors and pads, changing everything to new in the process. Even picked up these spring things for the calipers and bolts today at the dealer.
Test braking after this
Then bleed full system and test brakes again to see the difference.
I think maybe one rotor is warped a bit which explains the shimmy. If not that, then maybe wheel bearing. I don't want to go into bearing because I need the special tools to pull and press it.
Also have some small shimmy in the steering at speed. Wheels all balanced. Seems like its coming from driver front side.
My full plan is step by step.
I'm going to do all four corners rotors and pads, changing everything to new in the process. Even picked up these spring things for the calipers and bolts today at the dealer.
Test braking after this
Then bleed full system and test brakes again to see the difference.
I think maybe one rotor is warped a bit which explains the shimmy. If not that, then maybe wheel bearing. I don't want to go into bearing because I need the special tools to pull and press it.
09-24-2020, 04:09 PM
#21
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
I wouldn't be surprised if you can keep lots of current parts like bolts, spring thing and even sensors. I just don't wan to go down that route and then wonder why something doesn't work as expected.
09-24-2020, 04:12 PM
#22
Burning Brakes
If you just have dust and that causes squeaks, maybe just use an air tool an blow it all our, but if your pads are just way dusty, maybe think of looking into new pads. I'm not sure what amount of dust mine produce and what brand is in there now. Seemed OK for the most part, just probably a bit worn now.
I wouldn't be surprised if you can keep lots of current parts like bolts, spring thing and even sensors. I just don't wan to go down that route and then wonder why something doesn't work as expected.
I wouldn't be surprised if you can keep lots of current parts like bolts, spring thing and even sensors. I just don't wan to go down that route and then wonder why something doesn't work as expected.
09-24-2020, 04:43 PM
#23
Instructor
Ok, thanks for the explanation. Totally get what you're saying. I'll need to source the caliper bolts at a local dealer. Assuming they should have a ton of them if this is what they do each time they change brakes.
Don't think i need anything else in that case, i got some of those caliper hangers to use for the caliper. I'll have to check what sockets used for the caliper bolts when i get into it.
Don't think i need anything else in that case, i got some of those caliper hangers to use for the caliper. I'll have to check what sockets used for the caliper bolts when i get into it.
Last edited by LittleBitBent; 09-24-2020 at 04:44 PM.
09-24-2020, 07:23 PM
#24
Burning Brakes
If you just have dust and that causes squeaks, maybe just use an air tool an blow it all our, but if your pads are just way dusty, maybe think of looking into new pads. I'm not sure what amount of dust mine produce and what brand is in there now. Seemed OK for the most part, just probably a bit worn now.
I wouldn't be surprised if you can keep lots of current parts like bolts, spring thing and even sensors. I just don't wan to go down that route and then wonder why something doesn't work as expected.
I wouldn't be surprised if you can keep lots of current parts like bolts, spring thing and even sensors. I just don't wan to go down that route and then wonder why something doesn't work as expected.
09-25-2020, 02:03 AM
#25
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
My suggestion? Don't wait to find the triple-square sockets. They're not that easy to find, and I was never able to find them at any of the usual suspect hardware and auto-parts stores. Ended up buying them off of Amazon, which sucks if you already have the wheel apart. I bought this kit:
09-27-2020, 03:53 PM
#26
Rennlist Member
So many options out there.
Are the ECS Tuning products good options? Specifically, this front kit: 2014 Porsche Cayenne 958 Diesel Sport Utility V6 3.0L Braking Service Kits Front - K6042 - Z23 Evolution Sport Brake Kit - Front (360x36) (ecstuning.com)
Note, the apparent same kit at Amazon is a few bucks less, too. Same pictures, which, I admit, make me a bit nervous since the rotor pictures are different. One looks nicely done, one - with just the 5 sets - looks like they just took a basic rotor and machined/drilled it, with the resulting risks of rotors not designed for drilling/slotting.
Am I better staying with the OEM stuff from FCP Euro (at $100 more than the ECS Kit), even if I may not have the car in a couple of years when it's time for new pads, let alone rotors (meaning the replacement warranty is moot)?
And what about places like Napa and their parts?
Is there something better I should look at?
Are the ECS Tuning products good options? Specifically, this front kit: 2014 Porsche Cayenne 958 Diesel Sport Utility V6 3.0L Braking Service Kits Front - K6042 - Z23 Evolution Sport Brake Kit - Front (360x36) (ecstuning.com)
Note, the apparent same kit at Amazon is a few bucks less, too. Same pictures, which, I admit, make me a bit nervous since the rotor pictures are different. One looks nicely done, one - with just the 5 sets - looks like they just took a basic rotor and machined/drilled it, with the resulting risks of rotors not designed for drilling/slotting.
Am I better staying with the OEM stuff from FCP Euro (at $100 more than the ECS Kit), even if I may not have the car in a couple of years when it's time for new pads, let alone rotors (meaning the replacement warranty is moot)?
And what about places like Napa and their parts?
Is there something better I should look at?
09-27-2020, 04:21 PM
#27
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
So many options out there.
Are the ECS Tuning products good options? Specifically, this front kit: 2014 Porsche Cayenne 958 Diesel Sport Utility V6 3.0L Braking Service Kits Front - K6042 - Z23 Evolution Sport Brake Kit - Front (360x36) (ecstuning.com)
Note, the apparent same kit at Amazon is a few bucks less, too. Same pictures, which, I admit, make me a bit nervous since the rotor pictures are different. One looks nicely done, one - with just the 5 sets - looks like they just took a basic rotor and machined/drilled it, with the resulting risks of rotors not designed for drilling/slotting.
Am I better staying with the OEM stuff from FCP Euro (at $100 more than the ECS Kit), even if I may not have the car in a couple of years when it's time for new pads, let alone rotors (meaning the replacement warranty is moot)?
And what about places like Napa and their parts?
Is there something better I should look at?
Are the ECS Tuning products good options? Specifically, this front kit: 2014 Porsche Cayenne 958 Diesel Sport Utility V6 3.0L Braking Service Kits Front - K6042 - Z23 Evolution Sport Brake Kit - Front (360x36) (ecstuning.com)
Note, the apparent same kit at Amazon is a few bucks less, too. Same pictures, which, I admit, make me a bit nervous since the rotor pictures are different. One looks nicely done, one - with just the 5 sets - looks like they just took a basic rotor and machined/drilled it, with the resulting risks of rotors not designed for drilling/slotting.
Am I better staying with the OEM stuff from FCP Euro (at $100 more than the ECS Kit), even if I may not have the car in a couple of years when it's time for new pads, let alone rotors (meaning the replacement warranty is moot)?
And what about places like Napa and their parts?
Is there something better I should look at?
Of course that is if you plan to keep the car for a while (in terms of miles). I think brakes last like 20-30k miles (don't quote me on this number)
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09-27-2020, 04:39 PM
#28
Rennlist Member
I personally don't see a reason to go anywhere else other than FCPEURO. You literally buying brakes once forever. When they wear, you buy the same new set and send the work one back for full refund.
Of course that is if you plan to keep the car for a while (in terms of miles). I think brakes last like 20-30k miles (don't quote me on this number)
Of course that is if you plan to keep the car for a while (in terms of miles). I think brakes last like 20-30k miles (don't quote me on this number)
09-27-2020, 04:52 PM
#29
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
I'm not about spending it all or throwing away cash for no reason, but... when it comes to brakes, tires, steering and suspension, I don't cheap out. But then again, I got issues... I have to have everything GOOD. GREAT. PERFECT.
Also don't want squeaks ever!
09-27-2020, 04:59 PM
#30
Rennlist Member
Which is why I'm asking. Not trying to go cheap, but if less expensive is as functional, with no squeaks or reduction in performance, why spend the extra?
And again, I won't be responsible for maintenance on this vehicle in 2 years, so is spending that extra $100 a good use of the money? Will the ECS/Amazon parts work as well?
And again, I won't be responsible for maintenance on this vehicle in 2 years, so is spending that extra $100 a good use of the money? Will the ECS/Amazon parts work as well?