Another 21' Tire Thread - Which is best?
11-22-2018, 12:06 PM
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Another 21' Tire Thread - Which is best?
Hey all...I know there has been alot of disussions as to which tire is the preferred tire for the Cayenne. I have the 21' wheels, so the selection is somewhat limited. I purchased my Cayenne used and it came with PZero's. I quickly ordered and had installed the Conti DWS tire as weather changes rapidly in Colorado. The Conti's lasted a whole 13k miles (and it's a 50k warranty tire), at which time I installed a new set of PZero's...Love the PZero's as they are quiet and the handling is excellent. However, I was still in search of an all season tire for the fall/winter/spring months. Pirelli finally came out with the Scorpion Zero All seasons. I ordered a set and had them installed about a month ago.
I must say, this is by far one of the best tires I've ever purchased. They are quiet and seem to handle as well and feel as good as the PZero's for everyday driving (which is why I've got the PZero's for sale). I don't notice any sidewall flex when pushed into a corner like the Conti's.. If the wet/snow characteristics are as good as the cold/dry characteristics, and the tire lasts for 50k, then that will be the last tire I'll ever consider for the vehicle.
Just my .02 cents.
I must say, this is by far one of the best tires I've ever purchased. They are quiet and seem to handle as well and feel as good as the PZero's for everyday driving (which is why I've got the PZero's for sale). I don't notice any sidewall flex when pushed into a corner like the Conti's.. If the wet/snow characteristics are as good as the cold/dry characteristics, and the tire lasts for 50k, then that will be the last tire I'll ever consider for the vehicle.
Just my .02 cents.
11-22-2018, 12:29 PM
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Please keep us up to date on your experience as you get some miles and snow experience with them. Having alternatives to the Michelins that typically come on a Cayenne with 21" rims would be a good thing, especially if they're a useable all-season.
11-22-2018, 01:17 PM
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I've got 22s. First cayenne we initially went with the scorpions. Got about 20k out of them. Next were Toyo Proxes and got about 50k out of them, between the 1st and 2nd cayenne they were on. Have about 20 on a set of DWS now and they still look new.
11-22-2018, 01:37 PM
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Will do Don...MJG911, do you have a turbo and which Scorpions do you have?...I believe the Zero A/S are a new tire to replace the older Scorpion tire...
Interesting how some cayennes get decent mileage from the DWS's...I know I don't beat on mine, but the roads are terrible here in Colorado...lot's of concrete...
Interesting how some cayennes get decent mileage from the DWS's...I know I don't beat on mine, but the roads are terrible here in Colorado...lot's of concrete...
11-22-2018, 08:15 PM
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Yeah, I was hoping to get 50k from those DWS's, and certainly was quite surprised that they were wasted by 13k. I was really looking forward to just having a single set of tires for a change. But now with those new Scorpion Zeros, my fingers are crossed. Especially since I'll be giving the Cayenne to the wife in the next month, and don't want to mess with multiple tire sets.
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11-23-2018, 10:04 AM
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Hey all...I know there has been alot of disussions as to which tire is the preferred tire for the Cayenne. I have the 21' wheels, so the selection is somewhat limited. I purchased my Cayenne used and it came with PZero's. I quickly ordered and had installed the Conti DWS tire as weather changes rapidly in Colorado. The Conti's lasted a whole 13k miles (and it's a 50k warranty tire), at which time I installed a new set of PZero's...Love the PZero's as they are quiet and the handling is excellent. However, I was still in search of an all season tire for the fall/winter/spring months. Pirelli finally came out with the Scorpion Zero All seasons. I ordered a set and had them installed about a month ago.
I must say, this is by far one of the best tires I've ever purchased. They are quiet and seem to handle as well and feel as good as the PZero's for everyday driving (which is why I've got the PZero's for sale). I don't notice any sidewall flex when pushed into a corner like the Conti's.. If the wet/snow characteristics are as good as the cold/dry characteristics, and the tire lasts for 50k, then that will be the last tire I'll ever consider for the vehicle.
Just my .02 cents.
I must say, this is by far one of the best tires I've ever purchased. They are quiet and seem to handle as well and feel as good as the PZero's for everyday driving (which is why I've got the PZero's for sale). I don't notice any sidewall flex when pushed into a corner like the Conti's.. If the wet/snow characteristics are as good as the cold/dry characteristics, and the tire lasts for 50k, then that will be the last tire I'll ever consider for the vehicle.
Just my .02 cents.
11-25-2018, 04:51 PM
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UPDATE!!!..Well, we had somewhat of mini-blizzard here in colorado last night...30 plus mph winds and severe snowing...At times I could barely see 5 ft in front of the car. Anyway... the snow was about 2-3 inches over a layer of ice. The tires performed flawlessly from a dead stop as well as at speed. Extremely predictive feedback from the tires. Tried to get the rear end loose to see how fast the computer would intervene, and how the tires would react...the tires were very predictable. At no time did I feel like I needed more traction...I was able to pull away from the traffic lights with small amounts of spinning and was always able to pull away from the light faster than 4 runners, trucks and other SUV's...
The testing continues...
The testing continues...
11-26-2018, 12:21 PM
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UPDATE!!!..Well, we had somewhat of mini-blizzard here in colorado last night...30 plus mph winds and severe snowing...At times I could barely see 5 ft in front of the car. Anyway... the snow was about 2-3 inches over a layer of ice. The tires performed flawlessly from a dead stop as well as at speed. Extremely predictive feedback from the tires. Tried to get the rear end loose to see how fast the computer would intervene, and how the tires would react...the tires were very predictable. At no time did I feel like I needed more traction...I was able to pull away from the traffic lights with small amounts of spinning and was always able to pull away from the light faster than 4 runners, trucks and other SUV's...
The testing continues...
The testing continues...
11-26-2018, 01:59 PM
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UPDATE!!!..Well, we had somewhat of mini-blizzard here in colorado last night...30 plus mph winds and severe snowing...At times I could barely see 5 ft in front of the car. Anyway... the snow was about 2-3 inches over a layer of ice. The tires performed flawlessly from a dead stop as well as at speed. Extremely predictive feedback from the tires. Tried to get the rear end loose to see how fast the computer would intervene, and how the tires would react...the tires were very predictable. At no time did I feel like I needed more traction...I was able to pull away from the traffic lights with small amounts of spinning and was always able to pull away from the light faster than 4 runners, trucks and other SUV's...
The testing continues...
The testing continues...
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03-14-2019, 07:04 PM
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UPDATE #2: Had a real blizzard here in Denver yesterday. Drove on about 2-3" of slush covered with about 2-3" of snow on my way home from work. No problems. Again, could pull away from stop lights with little spin, and the braking was very predictable when I thought the tire was going to lock. Still extremely satisfied with the performance of these tires. Over the last month or so the temps have been below zero to 65 and as always these tires perform at levels expected from a tire that is designed for cold weather and one that is designed for warmer temps.
I will update once the temps get above 80 as well. Unfortunately, I may be giving the pig to the wife as I am getting another ride, so time spent in it will be limited.
Hope this helps.
I will update once the temps get above 80 as well. Unfortunately, I may be giving the pig to the wife as I am getting another ride, so time spent in it will be limited.
Hope this helps.
03-14-2019, 08:26 PM
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UPDATE #2: Had a real blizzard here in Denver yesterday. Drove on about 2-3" of slush covered with about 2-3" of snow on my way home from work. No problems. Again, could pull away from stop lights with little spin, and the braking was very predictable when I thought the tire was going to lock. Still extremely satisfied with the performance of these tires. Over the last month or so the temps have been below zero to 65 and as always these tires perform at levels expected from a tire that is designed for cold weather and one that is designed for warmer temps.
I will update once the temps get above 80 as well. Unfortunately, I may be giving the pig to the wife as I am getting another ride, so time spent in it will be limited.
Hope this helps.
I will update once the temps get above 80 as well. Unfortunately, I may be giving the pig to the wife as I am getting another ride, so time spent in it will be limited.
Hope this helps.
John
03-14-2019, 09:46 PM
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Since you had the contis in the past- how do you think they did in the snow/slush vs conti performance? I loved the factory michelins but wanted allseason for drives to Tahoe etc in the snow. The michelins were sketchy for scenarios like that. However I dont like the conti DWS tires for the general soft sidewalls. Even putting the sport suspension on max etc, it feels mushy. Good to hear about the Pirrelli's so far. Keep the updates coming!
John
John
03-15-2019, 06:42 PM
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How many miles on them so far? My Cayenne has the Pirelli winters on it and I may consider these when I replace or the Michelin A/S 3s. I will say that yea the DWS are a little mushy on corners when I had them on the X5 but my X5 had 19s on it and not the 21s I have on mine now.