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Old 08-13-2018, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Dilberto
I stopped a Spectrum Cable Installer and offered him $10 for his bag of UV-resistant outdoor cable ties.... he gladly took it!
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Old 08-15-2018, 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by 3.2 Targa
Did you check the bearing for smooth/free play? I didn't have the knocking sound but had a solid vibration that the bearing was transmitting through the firmer hose suspension vs. the pillow baffle.
The bearing is fine. No noise or vibration before or after the Jimmy fix. The only issue is small "knock" sound when I release the gas paddle. If you have a constant vibration, make sure you are not using the harder fuel hose by mistake.
Old 08-18-2018, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Dilberto
Here it is.... in all its glory. Shown with the correct, Gates cutting tool and 1.25" slice: The internal Kevlar braiding prevents collapse.
What's the part number on that hose? 8270 but missing a number or two...
2004 CTT just hit 100K on original part. Time to plan for the fix.

Old 08-18-2018, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by mikeymikey
What's the part number on that hose? 8270 but missing a number or two...
2004 CTT just hit 100K on original part. Time to plan for the fix.
Just ask for braided, 5/8" heater core hose...
Old 08-18-2018, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by mikeymikey
What's the part number on that hose? 8270 but missing a number or two...
2004 CTT just hit 100K on original part. Time to plan for the fix.
From many hours reading the successes and failures with the Jimi fix, it seems that it IS very important to use the right kind of hose. More pieces is not better. Thicker hose is not better. 5/8" is the ID, not the OD, etc. You need the right compliance of the bearing support, not more, not less.

From googling on the info in that image, I can see that Gates 18270 could be a match, but that is a pre-formed piece for a specific car (old Nissan), rather than by-the-foot regular line.

I think the specific kind that matches the stuff in that photo, that is by-the-foot, is Gates Safety Stripe 5/8 Inch Hose, Part # 28411 or #28417. I think one of those is by-the-foot / off the spool, the other is a bagged, fixed length of straight hose. So if anyone has doubts (good to have those in this application), I think the Gates 28411 or 28417 5/8" I.D. heater hose is what you want. I have not done this myself yet ('04 S, 102k miles), but hope to be ready for it.
Old 08-19-2018, 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by oldskewel
From many hours reading the successes and failures with the Jimi fix, it seems that it IS very important to use the right kind of hose. More pieces is not better. Thicker hose is not better. 5/8" is the ID, not the OD, etc. You need the right compliance of the bearing support, not more, not less.

From googling on the info in that image, I can see that Gates 18270 could be a match, but that is a pre-formed piece for a specific car (old Nissan), rather than by-the-foot regular line.

I think the specific kind that matches the stuff in that photo, that is by-the-foot, is Gates Safety Stripe 5/8 Inch Hose, Part # 28411 or #28417. I think one of those is by-the-foot / off the spool, the other is a bagged, fixed length of straight hose. So if anyone has doubts (good to have those in this application), I think the Gates 28411 or 28417 5/8" I.D. heater hose is what you want. I have not done this myself yet ('04 S, 102k miles), but hope to be ready for it.
Thanks for sharing that. I was looking at Gates sites as well and was trying to match with the numbers on the hose. Will stop by Napa this week to take a look in person.
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The tuned, 570hp CTT just woke up the angry midget this morning. Limped it home and completed fix #4 (for me) in just 19:23.
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Dilberto,
are you saying that you've done the Jimi fix to four different vehicles, or are you saying that you've had to repair a Jimi-fixed vehicle?

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Four different times:
~ twice my own pigs
~ twice for others
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It only took you 19 minutes to complete the fix?
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Originally Posted by kino1161
It only took you 19 minutes to complete the fix?
The secret is to pre-connect the first six hose pieces, not too loose, not too tight and snip-off the extra zip ties. Line up the cleaned-up carrier shell and start the pre-fab hose chain, at 12 o'clock position, inside the shell. Once they are on - adding the remaining two hose pieces is simply a matter of pulling-down on the carrier shell, pinching each hose piece into an oval and fill in the blank spaces. Zip tie and done!
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Default Thank you Jimi!

Did mine right before 92K! Was getting ready to spend $400 before I found this. I did the top 5 on bracket first then bracket over bearing then stuffed he bottom 3 in. Bearing was fine thankfully.

This is has to be the best bang for your buck anywhere. Saved aroun $1,500 and it’s a better design than the original. Now that I’ve done it I can honestly say that.

Thank you all again, read through entire thread a few times before diving in. Cayenne is smooth at all speeds! No more squeaking!
Old 12-23-2018, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Dilberto
The secret is to pre-connect the first six hose pieces, not too loose, not too tight and snip-off the extra zip ties. Line up the cleaned-up carrier shell and start the pre-fab hose chain, at 12 o'clock position, inside the shell. Once they are on - adding the remaining two hose pieces is simply a matter of pulling-down on the carrier shell, pinching each hose piece into an oval and fill in the blank spaces. Zip tie and done!
Great thread. Dilberto -- do you think it's wise to do a PRE-EMPTIVE fix or just wait for the failure? My 50k mile / always garaged 2008 Turbo S is running great but seems like a no-brainer to get out ahead of the bearing failure.

Thoughts?
Old 12-23-2018, 12:09 PM
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For this, it won't leave you stranded if it starts to go. And the 'going' is progressive.

The car can be driven for a bit with it starting to go, you just have to be gentle on the throttle.

Alternatively, you can get underneath and look. It's a bit hard to get a good view, but you can see the bearing support and whether or not it's torn.

When I got mine, I had a PPI done. One of the issues reported was a partial tear of the bearing support. It lasted another 9 months before it went completely.

And, as a side note, I had mine up in the air a couple weeks ago, changing trans, T/C & diff fluids. I took the plate off and took a good look at my Jimi fix. I had used the 'el cheapo' white HF zip ties. A couple of the ones holding the 'chain' to the outer support mount had failed. Nothing had moved, no other issues.
2 1/2 years and 10k or 12k miles.
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Originally Posted by SB27
Great thread. Dilberto -- do you think it's wise to do a PRE-EMPTIVE fix or just wait for the failure? My 50k mile / always garaged 2008 Turbo S is running great but seems like a no-brainer to get out ahead of the bearing failure.
Thoughts?
I had the same question, for my 103k mile 2004 S (no problems yet, no repair done), and launched the following thread. Some info there may be helpful. Basically, I think 50k is really low mileage, and I would not worry. But a big factor is how long your longest trips are, and how big an issue would it be to have this problem appear at the worst possible time.
https://rennlist.com/forums/cayenne-...port-fail.html


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