Cayenne vs. Pickup truck... weirdest cross-shopping ever?
#31
I'm coming out of a 2014 Ram Laramie Longhorn 4x4 and into a 2016 Cayenne. I do like, and need, the hauling abilities of a pickup bed so I decided to simply buy a trailer for my wife's Jeep Grand Cherokee. Fortunately for me, I have an acre in Texas that includes a large gated area in the back yard for storing the trailer. I know that's not an option for everyone but you can also consider a fold up trailer from Harbor Freight. They are actually fairly decent.
#32
Hey vbb - I feel your problem.
We have a Cayenne (my DD with over 200,000 km on it) and just purchased a Macan GTS for my wife's DD.
Too bad the Macan is too small, as it is so much fun to drive!
We used to have 5 vehicles for our very small family - sports car, family car, SUV, stake truck and highway cruiser.
We decided to downsize our fleet to one vehicle each and that's when we replaced 3 vehicles to the Cayenne.
Our solution for anything which needs a truck (or other vehicle need our Porsche's don't meet) is to rent a pick up, cube van or truck to meet the need as required.
After all, it is your DD which you will see most often, so get the one you will enjoy the most
We have a Cayenne (my DD with over 200,000 km on it) and just purchased a Macan GTS for my wife's DD.
Too bad the Macan is too small, as it is so much fun to drive!
We used to have 5 vehicles for our very small family - sports car, family car, SUV, stake truck and highway cruiser.
We decided to downsize our fleet to one vehicle each and that's when we replaced 3 vehicles to the Cayenne.
Our solution for anything which needs a truck (or other vehicle need our Porsche's don't meet) is to rent a pick up, cube van or truck to meet the need as required.
After all, it is your DD which you will see most often, so get the one you will enjoy the most
#33
Not a strange cross shop at all - I've been wrestling with the exact same choice. I bought my 997 a year ago and since then, the thought of picking up a Cayenne has crept in daily! I have 2010 Tundra CrewMax w/ a Toytec 3" lift, 33" BFGs and a couple other minor mods as my winter daily driver and Home Depot machine. It's utterly reliable, has a ton of room for my family of 3 plus a dog or two from time to time, serves as my mountain bike hauler and with weather tech mats I never worry about mud, dust, spilled sippy cups, fast food crumbs etc. A great vehicle that is used like a truck and shows as such.
That said, the urge to drive a Porsche every day keeps pulling back to considering a Cayenne. I drove a '16 base model last night and while it was nice, it didn't feel "special". The 997 has that intangible specialness to it - the Cayenne felt like just another nicely outfitted SUV (albeit one that handled quite well for such a heavy machine). I walked away not feeling like it was worth dropping $70K on (more than I paid for my 997) and hopped back into my paid for, slightly worn, but still solid looking and strong running, truck with a sense of bittersweet satisfaction. Maybe one day I'll be able to spring for a CTT and that would fit the bill and fill the specialness requirement. In the mean time, getting brakes and the 75K service done on the Tundra as she'll be staying around for the long haul.
Good luck with your choice - you really can't go wrong either way. We are blessed to have such decisions to make!
Cheers
Oneday997
That said, the urge to drive a Porsche every day keeps pulling back to considering a Cayenne. I drove a '16 base model last night and while it was nice, it didn't feel "special". The 997 has that intangible specialness to it - the Cayenne felt like just another nicely outfitted SUV (albeit one that handled quite well for such a heavy machine). I walked away not feeling like it was worth dropping $70K on (more than I paid for my 997) and hopped back into my paid for, slightly worn, but still solid looking and strong running, truck with a sense of bittersweet satisfaction. Maybe one day I'll be able to spring for a CTT and that would fit the bill and fill the specialness requirement. In the mean time, getting brakes and the 75K service done on the Tundra as she'll be staying around for the long haul.
Good luck with your choice - you really can't go wrong either way. We are blessed to have such decisions to make!
Cheers
Oneday997
Why? Because I sort of went another direction recently and sold my 997 C2 for a 997.1 TT!
#34
I just completed the weird cross-shopping and ended up with a 2016 CD just two weeks ago today.
I have my 2012 Touareg TDI waiting to be bought back by VW. The Treg TDI was awesome and I wanted both diesel and as close to the mpg as it got along with a 7,000 lb tow capacity-both of these were must-haves for me.
I initially thought about a Range Rover Sport with a Td6. The wife would not let me buy one-ha! I'll admit, I couldn't go with one for whatever reason. I was almost set on waiting for a 2018 GMC Canyon Denali with a Duramax motor. I thought I could live with a 0-60 mph in 9.2 seconds, the 7,600 lb tow and the 20/29 mpg I wanted. I thought I could until a week before, I was following some buddies to the snowmobile trailhead and realized what a great vehicle my T3 TDI was and had also realized that between the buyback, any compensation I would get from buying a used 15 or 16 CD, that my total out of pocket cost would be maybe $15K at the very most, not bad for a newer and superior vehicle in the CD. I'll admit, I am in love with my CD and with Cayenne's in general and while I appreciate Porsche's for what they are, I have never aspired or wanted to have one but the Cayenne is just something else.
I considered a new F-150 3.5L EcoBoost-24 mpg didn't do it for me.
Ram 1500 EcoDiesel-the VM Motori 3.0L motors are not known for being good motors and like the F-150, I didn't really want a full size truck. The promise of 28-29 mph hwy and a tow capacity that I needed was tempting though.
Sierra Denali, again, only 24 mpg hwy.
Yukon Denali-same as the Sierra.
There really is nothing else in the 7,000 lb tow range that is not a full-sized something that called out to me other than the CD. After having had a 2012 T3 TDI, there was no way I was going to go with the VW VR6 3.6L gas motor that has been around since Hitler committed suicide. I'll admit I'm hooked on the TDI power. I considered the Cayenne S but at 24 mph hwy, even if one were to show me the excel spreadsheet counting down every penny for the cost of gas vs diesel over 10 years, the feel of the diesel is just what I want.
Ford is coming out with its Ranger that may have a diesel and the F-150 is rumored to have its version of the 3.0L diesel coming as well. We'll see how things go.
I have my 2012 Touareg TDI waiting to be bought back by VW. The Treg TDI was awesome and I wanted both diesel and as close to the mpg as it got along with a 7,000 lb tow capacity-both of these were must-haves for me.
I initially thought about a Range Rover Sport with a Td6. The wife would not let me buy one-ha! I'll admit, I couldn't go with one for whatever reason. I was almost set on waiting for a 2018 GMC Canyon Denali with a Duramax motor. I thought I could live with a 0-60 mph in 9.2 seconds, the 7,600 lb tow and the 20/29 mpg I wanted. I thought I could until a week before, I was following some buddies to the snowmobile trailhead and realized what a great vehicle my T3 TDI was and had also realized that between the buyback, any compensation I would get from buying a used 15 or 16 CD, that my total out of pocket cost would be maybe $15K at the very most, not bad for a newer and superior vehicle in the CD. I'll admit, I am in love with my CD and with Cayenne's in general and while I appreciate Porsche's for what they are, I have never aspired or wanted to have one but the Cayenne is just something else.
I considered a new F-150 3.5L EcoBoost-24 mpg didn't do it for me.
Ram 1500 EcoDiesel-the VM Motori 3.0L motors are not known for being good motors and like the F-150, I didn't really want a full size truck. The promise of 28-29 mph hwy and a tow capacity that I needed was tempting though.
Sierra Denali, again, only 24 mpg hwy.
Yukon Denali-same as the Sierra.
There really is nothing else in the 7,000 lb tow range that is not a full-sized something that called out to me other than the CD. After having had a 2012 T3 TDI, there was no way I was going to go with the VW VR6 3.6L gas motor that has been around since Hitler committed suicide. I'll admit I'm hooked on the TDI power. I considered the Cayenne S but at 24 mph hwy, even if one were to show me the excel spreadsheet counting down every penny for the cost of gas vs diesel over 10 years, the feel of the diesel is just what I want.
Ford is coming out with its Ranger that may have a diesel and the F-150 is rumored to have its version of the 3.0L diesel coming as well. We'll see how things go.
#35
I much prefer the driving characteristics of diesels but the choices for new ones is less than appealing to me after all these scandals and such.
#36
I find some humor in that since I own a 2015 S, which believe was first year rated at 24 mpg on the highway. I have upwards of 14k on it and tracked every fillip in it. I have quite a few all freeway trips and to date my best tank was 19 mpg and only one tank got that. I even had a 2016 S loner and got same fuel economy as my 2015. My driving style makes them suck fuel down but an all freeway tank means cruise control but I have noticed it is the higher speeds I tend to maintain that makes it drink fuel during trips. Same cruising speeds and driving style nets me high 20s when had a ML diesel.
I much prefer the driving characteristics of diesels but the choices for new ones is less than appealing to me after all these scandals and such.
I much prefer the driving characteristics of diesels but the choices for new ones is less than appealing to me after all these scandals and such.
I could not care less about the breakdown or amortization over 10 or 20 years of the cost-benefit ratio of gas to diesel engine, just that the MPG's are better and I have to fill up less often and just like the feel of the motor.
#37
You know the type. The type where everything has to make some sort of (financial) sense to them or it doesn't get done. It is amazing that these types own Porsche's or boats given that they care so much about where every penny goes and not without some sort of justified-justification to the point of self-righteousness.
I could not care less about the breakdown or amortization over 10 or 20 years of the cost-benefit ratio of gas to diesel engine, just that the MPG's are better and I have to fill up less often and just like the feel of the motor.
I could not care less about the breakdown or amortization over 10 or 20 years of the cost-benefit ratio of gas to diesel engine, just that the MPG's are better and I have to fill up less often and just like the feel of the motor.
#39
I just can't be bothered with doing the manual calculations anymore. I will for the next fill up as I have the vehicle screen set to track the mileage since I filled up.
Last edited by BenCD; 03-11-2017 at 09:10 PM.
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#42
Right on!
In the 3 1/2 years since I traded in my Tundra, I have never once said to myself or thought 'I wish I had a pickup truck right now.'
The snowmobile trailer has done every job and if I've needed mulch, I have a brother in law and friend with pickup trucks to borrow. They would love to have a Cayenne loaner to drive while I put their truck to work.
In the 3 1/2 years since I traded in my Tundra, I have never once said to myself or thought 'I wish I had a pickup truck right now.'
The snowmobile trailer has done every job and if I've needed mulch, I have a brother in law and friend with pickup trucks to borrow. They would love to have a Cayenne loaner to drive while I put their truck to work.
#44
Currently have an 06 Silverado DuramaxAllison extended cab 4 X 4 which is my winter time DD. Started with 71 Silverado 4 X 4 beater while teaching school which shared DD duties with a BMW2002 in cold snowy NH. The PU was used for fire wood, hauling trash and recyclables to land fill, lawn chair cruises thru the woods, etc. I found once I had a PU, and got rid of it, I had to get another. Kinda like the Porsche addiction. Rather tough to put a skid of coal in a non-pickup, or haul a skid of scrap iron to The Metal Guy, or stapping on an Fisher 8 footer on a Cayenne.
Two different animals serving different purposes. And don't forget, it's easier to intimidate in a pick up.
Two different animals serving different purposes. And don't forget, it's easier to intimidate in a pick up.
#45