V6 confirmed coming to US in early 2004
#31
The more cars Porsche can sell, V6 or not, the better for us all. I would certainly want Porsche to still be around when I can finally afford my GT3 in a couple years to supplement my Cayenne and if it takes a V6 to appeal to a larger group of consumers, so be it. Great job Porsche!!!
#32
>>I have to say however that there are a bunch of people out there that strike me as unrealistic spoilt children who would rather take their ball and go play by (with) themselves and who would rather Porsche went down than adapt and embrace this new and exciting future. <<
I probably fall into this category. Decisions are made by people just like you and me. These decisions will define the future of something that we all (once) cared about. It is okay to disagree with these decisions, in fact I would bet that if the good Dr. was still alive things would be different. It wasn't so long ago that the good Dr. had to step in when a CEO decided the 911 had seen its day and it was time to move on to the 928. Wonder where Porsche had been if that CEO would have had his way. This time the Dr. wasn't around to fix things and the CEO got to have his way. We haven't seen this story play itself out. Give it another 6 to 12 months.
John
I probably fall into this category. Decisions are made by people just like you and me. These decisions will define the future of something that we all (once) cared about. It is okay to disagree with these decisions, in fact I would bet that if the good Dr. was still alive things would be different. It wasn't so long ago that the good Dr. had to step in when a CEO decided the 911 had seen its day and it was time to move on to the 928. Wonder where Porsche had been if that CEO would have had his way. This time the Dr. wasn't around to fix things and the CEO got to have his way. We haven't seen this story play itself out. Give it another 6 to 12 months.
John
#34
Just great.
Awesome news, and it will get even better when the new pick-up & the lawn mover series arrive.
And after that Dr. W will burn down al the race cars at Porsche museum, they're waste of space anyway.
Way to go Porsche! Why those past leaders were so dum & developed race cars for Le Mans and took developement from there insteaqd of building "sport cars" for masses is a mystery.
If they only had started this "great upsving" with VW trucks who know how great things were today!
Oh, and why keep that old 911 in production, I think now it's time to burn all the stuff related to 911 and dump the whole consept. Instead they should go and "tune up" some Kia model (or why not the whole product line), put badge on the hood and start Bull****ting how great it is that Porsche is independent and why racing sucks!
Just great.
Awesome news, and it will get even better when the new pick-up & the lawn mover series arrive.
And after that Dr. W will burn down al the race cars at Porsche museum, they're waste of space anyway.
Way to go Porsche! Why those past leaders were so dum & developed race cars for Le Mans and took developement from there insteaqd of building "sport cars" for masses is a mystery.
If they only had started this "great upsving" with VW trucks who know how great things were today!
Oh, and why keep that old 911 in production, I think now it's time to burn all the stuff related to 911 and dump the whole consept. Instead they should go and "tune up" some Kia model (or why not the whole product line), put badge on the hood and start Bull****ting how great it is that Porsche is independent and why racing sucks!
Just great.
#35
So what are you saying??? Do you think the Cayenne was a bad decision? Or is it that you think the V6 version is the problem? Either way, you are having trouble with coming to terms with 21st century economic reality. There are not enough people who fit into the sports car only market to keep this company viable for long. Believe me, I want it to stay viable so that I too can have my Carrera someday soon and not have the company purchased by one of the big 3 Detroit automakers...
#36
Originally posted by rockitman
So what are you saying??? Do you think the Cayenne was a bad decision? Or is it that you think the V6 version is the problem? Either way, you are having trouble with coming to terms with 21st century economic reality. There are not enough people who fit into the sports car only market to keep this company viable for long. Believe me, I want it to stay viable so that I too can have my Carrera someday soon and not have the company purchased by one of the big 3 Detroit automakers...
So what are you saying??? Do you think the Cayenne was a bad decision? Or is it that you think the V6 version is the problem? Either way, you are having trouble with coming to terms with 21st century economic reality. There are not enough people who fit into the sports car only market to keep this company viable for long. Believe me, I want it to stay viable so that I too can have my Carrera someday soon and not have the company purchased by one of the big 3 Detroit automakers...
Judging by Porsches past succest with only sports cars, I don't think things were/are so bad (best car company)...
And if staying independent means building trucks (and now even without power) and not continuing racing and developing cars from that, what's so great about it?
This is how I see it, if you disagree I can understand that also.
#39
Rockitman,
How different would the Cayenne be if VAG had bought Porsche??? It's already got a platform shared with a VW and soon with an Audi, the bodies/chassis are made by VW, the switchgear is made by VW, pretty much everything is made by VW except the engines...uh, er, hmmm, where does that V6 come from???
Where exactly is the Porsche in all this?
How different would the Cayenne be if VAG had bought Porsche??? It's already got a platform shared with a VW and soon with an Audi, the bodies/chassis are made by VW, the switchgear is made by VW, pretty much everything is made by VW except the engines...uh, er, hmmm, where does that V6 come from???
Where exactly is the Porsche in all this?
#41
An independent Porsche with Dr. Porsche at the helm is one thing. Independence with reliance on 5,000 lb V6 SUVs (and pickups?), an incredibly greedy corporate attitude and an almost complete disdain for the importance of a racing program is quite another. VW ownership would probably be very good for Porsche. Couldn't be any worse than present management.
After all, unlike Porsche, Ferrari has been racing very successfully at the highest levels and building the best sports in its history AFTER Fiat took over. Funny, but they don't have to build SUVs in order to "survive".
They just build great sports cars and race them. What a concept.
After all, unlike Porsche, Ferrari has been racing very successfully at the highest levels and building the best sports in its history AFTER Fiat took over. Funny, but they don't have to build SUVs in order to "survive".
They just build great sports cars and race them. What a concept.
#42
Actually, Ferrari is soley supported by the family as an ego trip. Outside of the 360 (hell - even the base 360 coupe), I can't agree that the other cars are great - or even good.
But hey - if that's what they want to do, then great!
Question though - none (that I'm aware of) of the C supporters here hop into other forums w/less than complimentary comments about your choices, so why the sometimes personal vitriol over the Cayenne? And yes, I've owned many P cars over the years, but I don't really like the 911 series. So what? If PAG wants to build em, great! If you want to buy them, no problem. Sheesh....
J
But hey - if that's what they want to do, then great!
Question though - none (that I'm aware of) of the C supporters here hop into other forums w/less than complimentary comments about your choices, so why the sometimes personal vitriol over the Cayenne? And yes, I've owned many P cars over the years, but I don't really like the 911 series. So what? If PAG wants to build em, great! If you want to buy them, no problem. Sheesh....
J
#43
JeffES
The Cayenne is a controversal car, hence the controversy. Some of us like it, some of us don't. And there doesn't seem to be much middle ground. This is the "Cayenne" forum, not necessarily the "Cayenne Owners" forum.
JohnH
The Cayenne is a controversal car, hence the controversy. Some of us like it, some of us don't. And there doesn't seem to be much middle ground. This is the "Cayenne" forum, not necessarily the "Cayenne Owners" forum.
JohnH
#44
No. No "thing" can be controversial. It's perceptions & opinions that lead to controversy.
So am I to understand that you are allowed to rail against and hurl invective and others are not? Sorry, but I can't believe that.
Look. You like your car, I like mine. I'm not going to bash yours, and I go out of my way to salute yours. Why do you then continue to bash my choice? I am seriously confused.
J
So am I to understand that you are allowed to rail against and hurl invective and others are not? Sorry, but I can't believe that.
Look. You like your car, I like mine. I'm not going to bash yours, and I go out of my way to salute yours. Why do you then continue to bash my choice? I am seriously confused.
J
#45
I guess you do need contraversy for something to be contraversal.
I think we can all keep this conversations civil in this forum (I don't much hurl anything). I don't begrudge your choosing the Cayenne and I think it is better than most trucks from a design/quality/safety standpoint.
But I still don't like Weiderleaking and I don't like his decision to build the thing. In the end it just doesn't jibe with the Porsche DNA.
But that is just my opinion (I like my opinion)
JohnH
I think we can all keep this conversations civil in this forum (I don't much hurl anything). I don't begrudge your choosing the Cayenne and I think it is better than most trucks from a design/quality/safety standpoint.
But I still don't like Weiderleaking and I don't like his decision to build the thing. In the end it just doesn't jibe with the Porsche DNA.
But that is just my opinion (I like my opinion)
JohnH