How much do you spend changing oil?
10-21-2013, 03:12 PM
#17
The worst part of this whole process is dealing with the under panels.
I've been thinking about making an access hole or panel with door, custom cut the under panel right under the oil filter area in order to access it w/o removing the panels.
What do you guys think or has anyone already done this?
I've been thinking about making an access hole or panel with door, custom cut the under panel right under the oil filter area in order to access it w/o removing the panels.
What do you guys think or has anyone already done this?
10-21-2013, 03:42 PM
#18
Personally I'd pay $250 from the dealer to do it, but in my area the dealers want 450-675 for changing the CD's oil
I'm willing to pay for convince, but thats ridiculous. So I did my first change myself for about $100 including the couple of tools I needed. It took me an hour or so, but I wasn't exactly rushing.
I know having a place to work can be a problem though. Does PCA have DIY days like the BMW club does?
10-21-2013, 03:43 PM
#19
At the dealer it breaks down like this:
9 Qts of M1 Synthetic at $8/qt == $72
1 Filter == $15
1 hour of labor at $150/hr
Shop Supplies == $10
Tax Dallas (8.75%) == $21.61
Total: $268.61
Doing it myself:
10 Qts (2x 5Q jugs at Wal-Mart): $48
1 Filter: $10
Time 1hr - 1h15m: 30-45 mins for oil change and 30 mins to recycle the oil
Total: $58
IMHO, avoiding a spend of $200 allows me to fund my 1989 911 parts/running costs.
9 Qts of M1 Synthetic at $8/qt == $72
1 Filter == $15
1 hour of labor at $150/hr
Shop Supplies == $10
Tax Dallas (8.75%) == $21.61
Total: $268.61
Doing it myself:
10 Qts (2x 5Q jugs at Wal-Mart): $48
1 Filter: $10
Time 1hr - 1h15m: 30-45 mins for oil change and 30 mins to recycle the oil
Total: $58
IMHO, avoiding a spend of $200 allows me to fund my 1989 911 parts/running costs.
10-21-2013, 04:01 PM
#20
Race Director
Total/Elf are one in the same IINM.
10-21-2013, 05:54 PM
#21
Team Owner
The other part of the price equation is that little gold shield on your hood. Everything costs more because of that.
Personally I'd pay $250 from the dealer to do it, but in my area the dealers want 450-675 for changing the CD's oil
I'm willing to pay for convince, but thats ridiculous. So I did my first change myself for about $100 including the couple of tools I needed. It took me an hour or so, but I wasn't exactly rushing.
I know having a place to work can be a problem though. Does PCA have DIY days like the BMW club does?
Personally I'd pay $250 from the dealer to do it, but in my area the dealers want 450-675 for changing the CD's oil
I'm willing to pay for convince, but thats ridiculous. So I did my first change myself for about $100 including the couple of tools I needed. It took me an hour or so, but I wasn't exactly rushing.
I know having a place to work can be a problem though. Does PCA have DIY days like the BMW club does?
I'm not getting why this is so complex a deal, really. I mean it's about 8 l of oil or U$65 and then, what, U$30 for the filter? And $150 in labor? That's 1.5 hrs at my indie shop. If it takes a pro 1.5 hrs with a lift and all the right tools, it sounds like something I don't wish to tackle.
10-21-2013, 05:56 PM
#22
Team Owner
I agree that Total/Elf are the same. I'm beginning to wonder what I've gotten myself into. A $250 oil change sounds like a joke or like a bill I'd expect from a MacLaren - not something one would expect from a SUV often used as a DD.
10-21-2013, 06:14 PM
#23
Race Director
Just go to an indy. You have a hi line car so youll have to pay to play sort of.
Pca does have diy every so often. Check w your local chapter.
10-21-2013, 06:23 PM
#24
I"m unaware of any DIY days in PCA. What did you do about resetting the oil change counter after you DIY your D?
I'm not getting why this is so complex a deal, really. I mean it's about 8 l of oil or U$65 and then, what, U$30 for the filter? And $150 in labor? That's 1.5 hrs at my indie shop. If it takes a pro 1.5 hrs with a lift and all the right tools, it sounds like something I don't wish to tackle.
I'm not getting why this is so complex a deal, really. I mean it's about 8 l of oil or U$65 and then, what, U$30 for the filter? And $150 in labor? That's 1.5 hrs at my indie shop. If it takes a pro 1.5 hrs with a lift and all the right tools, it sounds like something I don't wish to tackle.
I have a Durmetric to reset the SI.
Something else to consider about the cost (at least for the Diesel) is that they don't even lift it. They are sucking it out the top and the filter is on top too. So it's even less work they have to do for that ridiculous cost. Must be one hell of a visual inspection they do...
10-21-2013, 06:36 PM
#25
Team Owner
How many liters does the D take? Pep Boys oil change for a petrol car using maybe 5 l is about U$22 here (advertised. I never tried it). However, the same place charged me $100 to change the oil on a gen 1 Dodge pickup truck diesel. I have no idea if they lifted it or not. I sort of inherited the truck and only wanted the oil changed fast for the buyer as part of our deal.
Everything here seems to be such a major issue. Like I still haven't figured out how to lift the seat to access the battery. And now $250 oil changes. Geeze.
Everything here seems to be such a major issue. Like I still haven't figured out how to lift the seat to access the battery. And now $250 oil changes. Geeze.
10-21-2013, 06:55 PM
#26
I'd have to look, but I think its like 7.5/8l. I haven't gotten an Indy quote to do it yet because I don't trust them to have the right oil on hand. If I need to change it in the winter I'll probably buy the oil myself and take it to an Indy though (no garage to work in).
You just have to unbolt the seat to get to the battery. I don't know about the older models, but the 958 uses triple-square bolts (I want to say its 10mm, but don't quote me).
Unfortunately it really is true that you "have to pay to play" as there is no such thing as a cheap Porsche. The more you can do yourself, the cheaper it can be though. The cost of paying someone to do it doesn't always reflect the difficulty of doing it yourself.
You just have to unbolt the seat to get to the battery. I don't know about the older models, but the 958 uses triple-square bolts (I want to say its 10mm, but don't quote me).
Unfortunately it really is true that you "have to pay to play" as there is no such thing as a cheap Porsche. The more you can do yourself, the cheaper it can be though. The cost of paying someone to do it doesn't always reflect the difficulty of doing it yourself.
Last edited by gnat; 10-21-2013 at 07:17 PM. Reason: corrected seat bolt size
10-21-2013, 08:02 PM
#29
Team Owner
I'd have to look, but I think its like 7.5/8l. I haven't gotten an Indy quote to do it yet because I don't trust them to have the right oil on hand. If I need to change it in the winter I'll probably buy the oil myself and take it to an Indy though (no garage to work in).
You just have to unbolt the seat to get to the battery. I don't know about the older models, but the 958 uses triple-square bolts (I want to say its 10mm, but don't quote me).
Unfortunately it really is true that you "have to pay to play" as there is no such thing as a cheap Porsche. The more you can do yourself, the cheaper it can be though. The cost of paying someone to do it doesn't always reflect the difficulty of doing it yourself.
You just have to unbolt the seat to get to the battery. I don't know about the older models, but the 958 uses triple-square bolts (I want to say its 10mm, but don't quote me).
Unfortunately it really is true that you "have to pay to play" as there is no such thing as a cheap Porsche. The more you can do yourself, the cheaper it can be though. The cost of paying someone to do it doesn't always reflect the difficulty of doing it yourself.
As to the battery, I can't even find the bolts to unfasten. Well, it's not like I made a major issue of trying either.
10-21-2013, 08:57 PM
#30
Race Director
I have a Durametric so I can reset the service reminder myself.