John from WA

While I think Jap is offensive we should put a little perspective on the word. During any war one gov't does its best to demonize the other. It helps when you rally your nation and soldiers to kill others. Racial slurs, or words that turn into them are a natural part of it.

Jap was a very common word during and after WWII. After the extensive use by our govt and allies it has to be expected that members of the war generation will continue to use it (not all, but some). I have my fathers old Time Life History of WWII and it uses the word extensively.

Japan has turned from a bitter enemy to an ally. As a nation we worked hard after WWII to do this. Unfortunantly turning off the enmity that was necessary for war can take generations.

All that said, I haven't read anything that I would consider offensive in this thread.

I hope that was lucid... I'm on my 3rd Oban

Christian S.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Flying Finn:
<strong>It's ironic that if there had not been Porsche's racing, "racing" performance in Porsche's car, there would not be this kind of interest in Porsche.
Those same people would not be buying them and Porsche could not ride on the wave it's currently riding.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">'Fraid I just don't agree Finn - again your experience may be from an "American Porsche" phenomena, created by heavy "racing" marketing - but I'm on my fourth P-Car because it's a good car - nothing to do with any racing history. The cars came first, then they took them racing....

Flying Finn

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Christian Stewart:
[QB'Fraid I just don't agree Finn - again your experience may be from an "American Porsche" phenomena, created by heavy "racing" marketing - but I'm on my fourth P-Car because it's a good car - nothing to do with any racing history. The cars came first, then they took them racing....[/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Hey! Don't call me Finn (short version of Finnish)! Oops, I'm calling myself a Finn. Just kidding... <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" />

I know Christian, we can't agree with this but fro me, before I moved to US, I had Porsche in Finland and big part of the 'Porsche mystique' or whatever that could be called was because of racing.
I had seen them in Le Mans etc. (only in TV) and always was exited.

Every year we (we were all Europeans) were at F1 races, when the cup cars came to the track, I was 'in heaven' listening those flat sixes!
When safety car came to the track (before the race) that was just one cool, quite fast car (it was that MB coupe) to everyone of us (I was only one who owned Porsche) but no one was 'exited' as they were when they saw Porsche there, and that exitement came (mostly) because we knew Porsche 911s are cars that are being raced.

Anir,

"Your half-Asian, half-European friend with the funny name and a healthy skepticism of "political correctness"

<img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" />

Anir

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Flying Finn:
<strong>Hey! Don't call me Finn (short version of Finnish)! Oops, I'm calling myself a Finn.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Too funny! <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" />

Hey Christian,

We'll tolerate none of that behavior. <img border="0" alt="[nono]" title="" src="graemlins/nono.gif" /> How dare your abbreviate our friend's country of origin?

The Punjabi Kraut mutt,

Christian S.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Anir:
<strong>We'll tolerate none of that behavior. <img border="0" alt="[nono]" title="" src="graemlins/nono.gif" /> How dare your abbreviate our friend's country of origin?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Oops - A Mike Myers faux pas from a Scot - my abject aplogies, and before anyone suggests it, I can assure you I'm noo that overweight laddie, and I'm pretty sure I ken my parentage too .....

mpm '95 C4

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Flying Finn:
<strong>Every year we (we were all Europeans) were at F1 races, when the cup cars came to the track, I was 'in heaven' listening those flat sixes!
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">This is one kraut, frog, mick who loves those flat sixes!

Please excuse the departure from my usual sarcasm, but read "Flag's of Our Father's" and then tell what you think of how our new 'allies' conducted themselves in WWII. Must admit, even though my dad was 6 tour Marine in the Pacific during WWII he always called them the Japanese...

John from WA

Gawwd... I feel so PC

I don't ever recall my Dad referring to them as anything but Japanese either. It was just in the "Time-Life" book (a fairly mainstream publication).

Let's see now... I was born in France among the Frogs, grew up in Germany among the Krauts, live in PacNW among the vegans and moldy people. Have German, Norwegian, Swedish, French, English, Portugese, and maybe a little grizzly if you ever see the hair on my back.

Ahh, almost time for my Oban and to fill out my DE entry

mpm '95 C4

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by John from WA:
<strong>I don't ever recall my Dad referring to them as anything but Japanese either. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">And never with a tone of affection, right?

BTW, John you got the whole United Nations going there, oh and hope there's room for red wine among the rest of us

Flying Finn

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by mpm '95 C4:
<strong>...This is one kraut, frog, mick who loves those flat sixes! ...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Yea baby!