if porsche had to make an SUV i personally wouldve rather seen something like this.



i wonder if some sort of cayenne will still be around in 15 years or if it will be forgotten like this thing.

 

 

I doubt that the Lamborghini LM002 has been forgotten by anyone who's seen one... I know I haven't! They still show up occasionally for sale in the Dupont Registry.

The difference is, the Lambo was designed for off-road use, the Porsche isn't. That may well determine if the Cayenne dies an anonymous death in the future.

 

that's not the point. Lamborghini started out by making tractors and off road vehicles. That's why it will never be forgotten. unless porsche want to start making tractors, then I don't recomend making this truck. I guess porsche wants to do the opposite of lamborghini.
porsche should stick to sports cars.

 

Today's Humvee owes it's design to the Lamborghini. Also, the LM002 though great off road wasn't that refined, reeked of fuel all the time and had a rough ride.

The Cayenne and that thing aren't even in the same ballpark. That's just crying wolf.

 

[quote]Originally posted by Silverbullet951:
<strong>that's not the point. Lamborghini started out by making tractors and off road vehicles. That's why it will never be forgotten. unless porsche want to start making tractors, then I don't recomend making this truck. I guess porsche wants to do the opposite of lamborghini.
porsche should stick to sports cars.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Throughout it's history Porsche has built both four wheel drive tractors and developed a four wheel drive, Jeep-type vehicle for the German government. Four wheel drive and off road is something Porsche has done throughout it's history.

 

[quote]Originally posted by iamsuperdan:
<strong>

Throughout it's history Porsche has built both four wheel drive tractors and developed a four wheel drive, Jeep-type vehicle for the German government. Four wheel drive and off road is something Porsche has done throughout it's history.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Porsche built one model (111) which is tractor, and that happened so long ago that when you look at Porsche's pages under models, it's not even mentioned there.

That 'jeep' for covernment development... Porsche also developed new Harley V-rod's engine and was involved with Seat's early model engine too.

So, does that mean Porsche has built sedans & custom motorcycles throughout it's history?!

I don't think so.

 

I suspect I'm going to be in the minority here, but "Porsche" doesn't bring "Sportscar" to my mind first in the old home psychology word association primer....

Granted, there may be different perceptions of the brand in different countries and of course I may just be completely bonkers (mental note spoken aloud - must stop talking to myself).

No, hearing the word "Porsche" immediately brings to my mind "Engineering Excellence". In fact frequently "Over-Engineered Excellence".... thank goodness for those of us owning older versions.

I don't care whether it's a tractor, ambulance, aircraft engine, etc - what matters is that the brand holds true to designing and building things well......

 

Christian, I can't help but join you in the (likely) minority. I was brought up to think of sports cars as cramped, breeze-blown & damp British roadsters having room only for one to two people. The last Porsche production sports car may have been the 356 Speedster. Porsche competition cars were sports cars because they were for sporting purposes and usually had useful seating for 1. A Porsche production road car was/is really & truely a GT car, because it had 2 - 4 seats, luggage space, and could drive through a storm at night in the winter, etc - Grand Touring - in order to get to a race, to spectate or participate.

Many years ago, a close friend's Dad, who was a career professional automotive engineer, told him (my friend, may he rip, was a life-long Porsche enthusiast) that the 911 Porsche was "the most under-designed, over-engineered car in history". Better that than under-designed AND under-engineered, like most product in automotive history... and I disagree somewhat about Porsche's 911 design (that I have owned 3 of), I suggest that it may be the most idiosyncratic AND successful design in automotive history.
Cheers!

 

[quote]Originally posted by iamsuperdan:
<strong>

Throughout it's history Porsche has built both four wheel drive tractors and developed a four wheel drive, Jeep-type vehicle for the German government. Four wheel drive and off road is something Porsche has done throughout it's history.</strong><hr></blockquote>

 

But that is not what porsche started out building. They could have built tractors, but they never started the company building tractors. lamborghini has always been famous for their tractors with lots of brute power and displacement. They never got rid of that and brought it to their sports cars. big discplacement sports cars.
I have seen three cayennes so far and i think they are really nice. look much better in person. But I am afraid it wont sell. That's what scares me the most.

 

Man if Cadillac can sell a glorified Chevy Suburban with chrome for 50K and Mercedes Benz can sell an ancient artificact called the G500 then Porsche will have no problem cleaning out its stock of Cayennes. They may not go to the people who will use them best (or for intended purpose for that matter) but they'll sell and that's what matters at this point.

That's just my opinion of course.

 

[quote]Originally posted by Kevin E Davis:
<strong>Many years ago, a close friend's Dad, who was a career professional automotive engineer, told him (my friend, may he rip, was a life-long Porsche enthusiast) that the 911 Porsche was "the most under-designed, over-engineered car in history". Better that than under-designed AND under-engineered, like most product in automotive history... and I disagree somewhat about Porsche's 911 design (that I have owned 3 of), I suggest that it may be the most idiosyncratic AND successful design in automotive history.
Cheers!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Know what you mean Kevin, I've got a 356 Cab in a thousand pieces here next to my '87 911 Cab - the design similarities are remarkable!!

 

Check this out:<a href="http://www.porsche.com/english/events/clubs/news/cw0299/schleppercup_i.htm" target="_blank">Porsche Tractor Club</a> <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

 

Hi Kevin

"...the 911 Porsche was "the most under-designed, over-engineered car in history"."

I've seen a similar quote on this board and elsewhere that the 911 is "a flawed design executed brilliantly".


SB951

Important to the discussion is how you define the company. The official PAG Museum book implies it was one continuous company. Remember Porsche designed econo-boxes, tanks, and even a military version of an SUV (OOOOHH MAAA GAWWWDDD!!!) long before they built a 356.

M in C