The Porsche Canton....
12-18-2002, 12:02 PM
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The Porsche Canton....
Lying in the bath the other evening, it occurred to me that many of the howls of anguish regarding the Cayenne were recurrent, and how much I fundementally disagreed with them.
It is as if there is some written Porsche Canton - subdivisions of Porsche ownership in which beliefs are sacrosanct and imoveable. Somewhere there is a sacred text, believed to be written by the hand of Ferdinand Porsche that stipulates the commandments of Porsche.... or so some would have you believe.
The problem is that the good book has been lost and it's contents are speculation - hotly debated speculation bordering on fanatacism. So roll up, and sign up to the rules that you believe in and decry the ones you don't - feel free to add to the commandments I might have missed, then subdivide yourselves into your respective Cantons and feel better about life....
1. Porsche shall be pronounced "Porscha"
2. A Porsche must have an aircooled engine
3. Porsche must always race in the highest levels of Sports Car racing
4. GT Sports car racing shall be ignored
5. Any Porsche with perfect weight distribution will be regarded as hairdressing transport
6. Only cars with imperfect weight distribution will be regarded as a genuine Porsche except where the weight is high, rather than rearward
7. All Porsches must be heavily over-engineered
8. All Porsches must have at least part of their structure 10, preferably 20 years out of date
9. Every model must have different coloured brakes (to avoid confusion)
10. All engines must be no further forward than the rear axle
11. Any SUV Porsche must be regarded as the spawn of the devil
12. All owners of Porsche models must immediately shun other Porsche models
13. A Modern Porsche sold in larger numbers must be regarded as an unbeliever until it too is 20 years old and out of date and then can be welcomed back into the flock of genuine Porsche followers.....
I could go on, but needless to say I won't as I disagree with it all - get a life guys and stop complaining - the car in your drive is still the same, as good as ever - current cars are great too, you just have to learn to live with that fact..... live and let live as some wise know-it-all once said.
It is as if there is some written Porsche Canton - subdivisions of Porsche ownership in which beliefs are sacrosanct and imoveable. Somewhere there is a sacred text, believed to be written by the hand of Ferdinand Porsche that stipulates the commandments of Porsche.... or so some would have you believe.
The problem is that the good book has been lost and it's contents are speculation - hotly debated speculation bordering on fanatacism. So roll up, and sign up to the rules that you believe in and decry the ones you don't - feel free to add to the commandments I might have missed, then subdivide yourselves into your respective Cantons and feel better about life....
1. Porsche shall be pronounced "Porscha"
2. A Porsche must have an aircooled engine
3. Porsche must always race in the highest levels of Sports Car racing
4. GT Sports car racing shall be ignored
5. Any Porsche with perfect weight distribution will be regarded as hairdressing transport
6. Only cars with imperfect weight distribution will be regarded as a genuine Porsche except where the weight is high, rather than rearward
7. All Porsches must be heavily over-engineered
8. All Porsches must have at least part of their structure 10, preferably 20 years out of date
9. Every model must have different coloured brakes (to avoid confusion)
10. All engines must be no further forward than the rear axle
11. Any SUV Porsche must be regarded as the spawn of the devil
12. All owners of Porsche models must immediately shun other Porsche models
13. A Modern Porsche sold in larger numbers must be regarded as an unbeliever until it too is 20 years old and out of date and then can be welcomed back into the flock of genuine Porsche followers.....
I could go on, but needless to say I won't as I disagree with it all - get a life guys and stop complaining - the car in your drive is still the same, as good as ever - current cars are great too, you just have to learn to live with that fact..... live and let live as some wise know-it-all once said.
12-18-2002, 01:27 PM
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Christian, your "lying in the bath the other evening" opener may need to be censored for the sake of any minors reading this board 
But since you opened that box, I must ask: when you take one at night, do you also take one in the morning? <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" />
I only adhere to the first (Porsch-uh) and seventh (heavily over-engineered) cantons. I would adhere to the 11th if you place the word "ugly" between "Any" and "SUV."
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But since you opened that box, I must ask: when you take one at night, do you also take one in the morning? <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" /> I only adhere to the first (Porsch-uh) and seventh (heavily over-engineered) cantons. I would adhere to the 11th if you place the word "ugly" between "Any" and "SUV."
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12-18-2002, 02:21 PM
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#1, #7, and #11 must surely have been in the original sacred text. Shame the good book has been lost (maybe Wiedeking is just hiding it).
Christian, what do you come up with when you take a shower?
Christian, what do you come up with when you take a shower?
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12-24-2002, 01:55 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by Christian Stewart:
<strong>Lying in the bath the other evening, it occurred to me...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Christian,
Too much information...
Funny stuff, but I do wonder what you have against over-engineering. How could that be a bad thing?
<strong>Lying in the bath the other evening, it occurred to me...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Christian,
Too much information...
Funny stuff, but I do wonder what you have against over-engineering. How could that be a bad thing?
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Hey Anir, another Rover convert - not me - but my neighbor, who has a '02 twin and who's wife drives an '02 targa, decided against the P-fish. His biggest complaint - he couldn't get past the looks (it didn't look enough like a truck), and when he wants to go fast he'll drive the turbo...
Comes in next week BRG and saddle leather. His only worry is since this is a pieces/parts vehicle - with the BMW drive train and the Ford ownership, what will the reliability factor be longer term? I responded that the BMW drive train and the German engineering will help Rovers past reliability issues, but not sure about the longer term under Ford. What are your thoughts?
Comes in next week BRG and saddle leather. His only worry is since this is a pieces/parts vehicle - with the BMW drive train and the Ford ownership, what will the reliability factor be longer term? I responded that the BMW drive train and the German engineering will help Rovers past reliability issues, but not sure about the longer term under Ford. What are your thoughts?
12-24-2002, 02:24 PM
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mpm,
We still have less than 5,000 miles on our Rover, but so far so good. Given the high quality of the visible bits / fit & finish, I am hopeful that long-term reliability will be good. So far, it's doing better than my previous recent Mercs and BMWs.
You might remind your neighbor of the $1.4 billion that BMW sank into the Range Rover re-do. That amount of money will buy a lot of quality if it's invested in the right places.
We still have less than 5,000 miles on our Rover, but so far so good. Given the high quality of the visible bits / fit & finish, I am hopeful that long-term reliability will be good. So far, it's doing better than my previous recent Mercs and BMWs.
You might remind your neighbor of the $1.4 billion that BMW sank into the Range Rover re-do. That amount of money will buy a lot of quality if it's invested in the right places.
12-24-2002, 02:37 PM
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Generally I love over-engineering Anir, not "Heavy over-engineering" however. It's inefficient in my book, a sign of a design being patchy - take my '87 Carrera for example, were it all "over-engineered" then I would have no problem at all, trouble is parts are absolutely bulletproof and other parts are embarrasingly weak - most obviously the "imported parts".
Great for engines to be engineered for for 300k plus miles, but kind of pointless when a clutch and gearbox require remedial work after 70k, or the electrics are likely to give up the ghost long before the average car reaches 150k....
In my opinion it's part of the problem of re-engineering old cars rather than doing a complete new design. The new design has a huge advantage in succeeding in being a more complete and balanced engineering solution when 100% of the vehicle is new rather than 60, 70 or 80 %. Less compromise.
I have a 356C Cab in my garage awaiting restoration - the rear end internals are so similar to the '87 Carrera it makes me laugh!
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Great for engines to be engineered for for 300k plus miles, but kind of pointless when a clutch and gearbox require remedial work after 70k, or the electrics are likely to give up the ghost long before the average car reaches 150k....
In my opinion it's part of the problem of re-engineering old cars rather than doing a complete new design. The new design has a huge advantage in succeeding in being a more complete and balanced engineering solution when 100% of the vehicle is new rather than 60, 70 or 80 %. Less compromise.
I have a 356C Cab in my garage awaiting restoration - the rear end internals are so similar to the '87 Carrera it makes me laugh!
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