2012 Cayenne - V6 or V8
#31
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Here's a good one: Finn with half-a-ton of fire pit materials loaded in the back (and half the back seat!):
#32
Carrera GT, I am a complete newbie and just ordered my first Porsche (a Cayenne Diesel). I have read many of your posts here and it is clear you are very experienced and knowledgeable in the field of "Porsche". But I am puzzled by your comment that the diesel they delivered is "sluggish and un-fun" to drive. If you are comparing to a TT then sure. But I have to say I have read probably every review done on this vehicle (many, many) and they are virtually unanimous in praising the drivability of the diesel and the fun factor because of the excellent torque. We're talking daily driver here, and nothing more. Again, not a vehicle for a speed fanatic, but not fun at all and sluggish? I really hope not.
I read a couple of reviews and I would concede I was not scientific about it -- I was probably looking only for clues that the reviewer noticed the throttle lag as the turbo built boost. Comments revolved around it being slow from a standing start, but once it's moving and has a head of steam, it's good. I read the tails side of that coin and I guess you're reading the heads side.
I also remember a video review on youtube, which I can't find, it was the Aussie "Drive" review ... the guy was touring around city streets and I recall him noting that if you were expecting a spritely town car, it felt a bit heavy and sluggish ... I didn't find that video as I looked back over my YouTube history right now, but I did find this joker in a pink shirt, who says much the same thing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-uJS...ailpage#t=106s
I wouldn't discourage you from the Cayenne Diesel assuming you're happy with driving it and get a good, long demo drive in a test car before taking one home. I would add that when we got our first diesel (a Ford Excursion) my wife was quick to note the lag (of course, the Excursion weighs twice as much as the Cayenne, but still ... ) anyway, she weighs about 110 lbs and 90 of those pounds are in her right foot, so she started out disliking the GL350 (Bluetec turbo diesel) but now we have about 10K miles on our second GL350, and she never comments on the lag (it's there) and likes driving it. We adapt. We'll likely get the 2013 GL350 too. Once you get used to a diesel (600 miles between visits to the pump) when you drive a gas-engined SUV, we loathe the short range and guzzling mpg, so it's horses for courses. I couldn't even guess at he actual mpg of a 911 (21?) but who cares? For an SUV that does 10K miles in a year, getting 25+ is noticeably more convenient and cost-effective than 15 or less than we got in the old Cayenne Turbo (with Power Kit ... and that 90lb right foot I mentioned ...)
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Funny, I saw that video with the joker in the pink shirt. Also, keep in mind that video is from 2009, so older model with less than the current torque (I think). Anyway, your comments are fair enough. It is impossible to test drive the diesel as its not in NA yet, so I admittedly took a bit of a leap. I did manage to test a TDI Touareg though, just to get the feel of driving a diesel and it was absolutely fine. Hoping the Cayenne will be a bit more spirited in ride and handling though. I guess I'll find out in September.
#35
I have been a v8 guy most of my 30 years of driving. Our new 2012 Cayenne has the v6 and I honestly can not tell a difference at all. As a matter of fact when my wife drove it for the first time, she looked at me square in the eye while at a stop light and asked "is this a turbo?". Now if you knew me you would understand why she asked, lol. I like to upgrade and modify just about every item I own. For once, it was a delight to tell her straight up with out having to "spin" it. Lol
#36
I have been a v8 guy most of my 30 years of driving. Our new 2012 Cayenne has the v6 and I honestly can not tell a difference at all. As a matter of fact when my wife drove it for the first time, she looked at me square in the eye while at a stop light and asked "is this a turbo?". Now if you knew me you would understand why she asked, lol. I like to upgrade and modify just about every item I own. For once, it was a delight to tell her straight up with out having to "spin" it. Lol
Cool that she enjoyed driving your Cayenne and its sportyness
Now,try to imagine her reaction if it had been a turbo...
#37
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Riley & Mrs. Stainless - two people who think there's no difference between a V6 & a Turbo
No, scratch that, Riley's V6 is actually faster than a Turbo
No, scratch that, Riley's V6 is actually faster than a Turbo
#38
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There's a new v6 and used v8 at Sonnen now.