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Old 09-11-2010, 10:15 AM
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1- in an AWD car like Cayenne, where are the better tires preferred in gaining most winter traction, Rear or Front?

2-Does driving the car in the manual (M2,M3,...) cause more wear on transmission when compared to the Automatic?

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Old 09-12-2010, 12:15 AM
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I'm not sure why you're asking the first question, but if you are considering putting snow tires on only two wheels, I'd reconsider that decision. If you have all-seasons on two wheels and snow tires on two wheels, the results will be bad on either the front or the back.
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Originally Posted by ltc
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Thanks Lewis. I think you answered my questions.

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I'm not sure why you're asking the first question, but if you are considering putting snow tires on only two wheels, I'd reconsider that decision. If you have all-seasons on two wheels and snow tires on two wheels, the results will be bad on either the front or the back.
Dennis, i have a set of winter tires used for 3 seasons (scorpions) and I don't mean to mix tires rather I noticed there seems to be more wear on one pair... therefore my question.
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Good question. The Cayenne seems to defy logic and tire physics by wearing the fronts much quicker than the rears; even though it's an AWD and the rear tires tend to put more power on the road than the front tires.

I just finished rotating my factory 21's (probably for the last time in their short lifespan) by putting the worn front tires on the rear. I know that this isn't the logical route to take however the front tires, particularly the edges, wear at an extremely high rate; almost as if the tires are under-inflated. Is this because of the low profile 35-series tires? The dealer says that it's normal.
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Originally Posted by ltc
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If I had to choose one end I actually think I would choose the front. Better to have steering and braking traction than accelerating traction.

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Good question. The Cayenne seems to defy logic and tire physics by wearing the fronts much quicker than the rears
This sound like another reason to put the better tire on the front. If they are wearing faster on the front you will get better life out of the set with the good ones on front.
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Most tire shops will put the better tires on the rear for liability reasons. Reason being, with better traction on the rear, the car tends to understeer more which is considered to be safer and more predictable than the oversteer that would result from having less traction on the rears...
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I haven't noticed uneven wear on my Cayenne's tires. I rotate them every 5K miles.
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Thank you all. It seems like the answer to my question is not as straight forward as I first thought. My front tires do wear faster (I admit, I don't rotate my tires)). Is it as simple as the extra weight of the motor on front wheels causing the extra wear? my main goal is to have better traction and control of the car especially during the snow days.
I'll ask our area indy and post the answer if useful.
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Originally Posted by Sam CS 05
Thank you all. It seems like the answer to my question is not as straight forward as I first thought. My front tires do wear faster (I admit, I don't rotate my tires)). Is it as simple as the extra weight of the motor on front wheels causing the extra wear?
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my main goal is to have better traction and control of the car especially during the snow days.
Be well.
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Hence putting them on the rears, since IIRC, the F/R power distribution is a bit biased towards the back...it's hard to get a Cayenne to exhibit torque steering.
Having said that, I would always prefer 4 matching tires on an AWD (not 4WD) vehicle.
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The touaregs had this problem in the beginning, VW was even replacing tires for free since they were wearing out in less than 15k.

Solution ended up being alignment issues from factory. Get a good quality place with a 4 wheel electronic alignment shop for the toe and camber and it should take care of the issue. Shouldn't cost you more than $100 to have it done.

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Thank you all. It seems like the answer to my question is not as straight forward as I first thought. My front tires do wear faster (I admit, I don't rotate my tires)). Is it as simple as the extra weight of the motor on front wheels causing the extra wear? my main goal is to have better traction and control of the car especially during the snow days.
I'll ask our area indy and post the answer if useful.
Be well.
Sam
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Originally Posted by touareg
The touaregs had this problem in the beginning, VW was even replacing tires for free since they were wearing out in less than 15k.

Solution ended up being alignment issues from factory. Get a good quality place with a 4 wheel electronic alignment shop for the toe and camber and it should take care of the issue. Shouldn't cost you more than $100 to have it done.
And not surpring, Cayennes had the same problem in the beginning as well...who would have thought since they are so different.

IIRC, there were 2or3 alignment specification updates...still small in number compared to the coil packs or rear window microswitch.
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Originally Posted by ltc
...still small in number compared to the coil packs or rear window microswitch.
Rear window microswitch? Cruel visions of children getting decapitated by rear windows have entered my mind!

Please explain....



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