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Old 10-12-2007 | 03:11 PM
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Thanks for the welcome - I intend to become an official member over the weekend.

I have done tons of searching on this site before ever posting I was looking for information more relevant to my situation and to the newer tires currently available.

On the P Scorpions not sure which ones you are referring to as there are many P scorpions
Old 10-12-2007 | 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by yetis
I will be trying the Blizzaks this year. They seem to get a fairly decent rating.
FWIW, I would not suggest the Blizzaks.
Although, by far, the best (deeop/packed) snow/ice (snowflake sidewall) tire available, if they are driven on dry pavement during the winter months, the outer 'spongy' layer (which gives them their superior grip in the aforementioned conditions) will quickly wear away, leaving you with a typical snow tire.....a situation exacerbated by the weight/tire loading imposed by a Cayenne.

I would suggest considering a 'conventional' snowflake rated winter tire, Continentals perhaps. Much more suited to high speed dry pavement winter conditions and snow, with much better wear characteristics.

Of course, it's me, so what do I know.
Old 10-12-2007 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ltc
FWIW, I would not suggest the Blizzaks.
Although, by far, the best (deep/packed) snow/ice (snowflake sidewall) tire available, if they are driven on dry pavement during the winter months, the outer 'spongy' layer (which gives them their superior grip in the aforementioned conditions) will quickly wear away, leaving you with a typical snow tire.....a situation exacerbated by the weight/tire loading imposed by a Cayenne.

I would suggest considering a 'conventional' snowflake rated winter tire, Continentals perhaps. Much more suited to high speed dry pavement winter conditions and snow, with much better wear characteristics.

Of course, it's me, so what do I know.
First, thank you LTC

Perfect, (throwing hands up in the air.)

WhyTF is getting snow tires so bloody difficult for this truck. I long for being back with my avitar, in the snow.

Latitude Alpin HP looks like the only option left, excluding the Scorpions. That is, according to Tire Rack, my sole source of reference for such things. Tire rack has one size listed for the only light truck snow tire, and its a 17".
Old 10-12-2007 | 06:13 PM
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The Scorpion Ice and Snows work for me. I have them on 18's.
Old 10-12-2007 | 06:49 PM
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IIRC when Larry was alive, there were several options for winter tires "approved" by PAG.....Dunlop GranTrek comes to mind....

Have you checked the latest Posche approved tire list to see what is now offered/recommended.

Dealers also offer 'specials' from time to time. IIRC Larry (again, when he was alive) bought a set of new OEM 18" wheels and the aforementioned winter tires for $2100.

You're making this harder than it really is......
Old 10-12-2007 | 08:10 PM
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wait until your first accident with all seasons. ask yourself if this really is an area to cheap out on.
Old 10-12-2007 | 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Cpa4S
wait until your first accident with all seasons. ask yourself if this really is an area to cheap out on.

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The approved WINTER tires are:

255/55/18 are:
Pirelli Scorpion Ice & Snow
Dunlop Grandtrek WT M3 NO (rotation)
Michelin Latitiude Alpine HP NO (inside/outside)

235/65/18
Dunlop Grandtrek WT M2 NO (rotation)
Pirelli Scorpion Ice & Snow

The Scorpions are the cheapest....

The weird thing is that according to the Dunlop website, the M3 is a runflat, while the M2 is not. They make the m2 in the 255/55, but its not on the list.

I guess if I was going to get a runflat, I would get it in a winter tire in a car that doesn't have a full size spare!

Good night.
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Always look for the 'snowflake' symbol on the sidewall when shopping for a true winter tire.
Old 10-13-2007 | 09:57 AM
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I recently went with the Nokian WR 275/40R20. They are made of HD Silica Compound (100% Silica). They have the winter snowflake on the side but are considered an all season tire. We don't have very harsh winters here in the Pacific Northwest (mostly just a lot of F#$@%ing rain). However, I do get up to the mountains for some weekend skiing. If I notice any degree of slippage while driving on snow or ice its back to the Dunlops which have been really great the past 4 winters. So far I really like the tire.
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I used the Pirelli Scorpion AT's for four Colorado Winters on my 03 S. They were excellent tires in snow, ice, mud, and off-road. I had no issue with wobble as yetis described. I am about to mount a set of Pirelli Ice & Snoes 19" on my 08 CTT. I have not used them yet but they got excellent reviews from the Tire rack site. The reviews of the Ice & Snows indicate that they will last longer than the Blizzaks, I guess we will see. I never had an issue with the AT's and am hoping that the Ice & Snows will give a little more safety and grip margin.
Old 10-13-2007 | 01:29 PM
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JR, give me a call if I can help you decide. Check out the wheel/tire section for my posts on the selections we have available.
Old 10-13-2007 | 01:43 PM
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Damon...would be more than glad to order them through you, this will be my 6th set of tires purchased from the tire rack in the last 2 years.

I have a bid in on a set of 18" cayenne wheels if I get them I am just going to go with a dedicated winter set prob P scorp ice & snow.

EDIT* I placed the order and added your name and extension

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Old 10-14-2007 | 08:18 PM
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Kind of interesting ...I liked the way 20" wheels looked on my car so I got a set of 20" wheels with Scorpion Ice and Snow from the Tire Rack, and put my 18" Turbo-look up for sale.

Comparing my new Pirellis to the stock Continentals on the 18s, there are a lot of interesting similarities, particularly as applies to the tread blocks with the minimal voids on the outer edges. IMO, the Continental seems like a well- designed tire that would be adequate on ice or packed snow, aside from some of the compound/Durometer/chemistry (whatever you want to call it) issues.

I'd be interested in objective comparisons between the stock Continentals and true Ice & Snow tires.



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