Qualnhick

Nop, I mean Mr. Bush and is "brillant" foreign politics !

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2004 Porsche Cayenne Turbo
2003 Porsche 996 C2 Cabrio
1999 Jaguar Xk8 Cabrio

skl

Lewis, I've got to know how much "bling" you've put on your Escape????? Nice low front air dam for example....

MadFox

This is still significantly and left for other forums.. Let's concentrate on the Cayenne not world politics. We can agree that a Cayenne is a great vehicle .... right?

With Nop(e) and (h)is? "brill(i)ant. Obviously, you're in Portugal and English is a second language.. I applaud your car choice.. but I'll leave the European thinking and that of our political left to another day. Mr. (thanks for the use of Mr.) Bush and the likes of his "thinking" are what saved Europe from being the United Federation of Germany or Russia. Islamic radicals and fascist dictators in Arabic countries aside, democracy is a noble and worthy goal.. maybe the socialists in Europe are finally starting to realize that too. It is so fashionable to hate Bush and Americans these days.

Qualnhick

Yes, we do agree that Cayenne is an excellent car !
Regarding politicals we don´t agree, but that´s off topic.
Sorry for my mistakes, but as you mention English is not my mother language.

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2003 Porsche 996 C2 Cabrio
1999 Jaguar Xk8 Cabrio

ltc

Zero bling. Just ownership bliss.......

ltc

I KNOW this is a trick question, a trap.......must resist

MadFox

Trick.. yes, a trick.. strictly for you entertainment.. Our Portuguese friend probably loves Bill Clinton.. so I'll put it to you as Brother Bill would.... "it depends on what your definition of "great" is!!"

Chriz

If fuel cost is a problem you can hedge the risk of rising prices at NYMEX. Just buy one unleaded gas contract.

But keep in mind that one HU contract is 42000 gallons or 1000 barrels. Hard to spend that much gas even with a cayenne.

Qualnhick

I know that this is off-topic, and I will not respond to this topic no more, but I have to say this ... sorry.
If you want to know, I do prefer Bill Clinton over Bush. I´m not socialist or comunist, i´m liberal either from economic perspective and from social rights prespective. Clinton made mistakes, like everyone does, but he didn´t put the world on war, lying about the reasons of the war (Bush already recognized that there was no such things as weapons of mass destruction). I know that you will say, neither did Bush, we were attacked and we are only defending ourselves. The problem is that this is not true. You were attacked by terrorists, from a maniac called Osama Bin Laden and instead of capturing him and bring him to justice (BTW, I still don´t understand why American people don´t blame Bush for this ... such a big country, able to destroy one country, and you are unable to find 1 person ??? Strange thing ...) Bush destroyed a country and gave the terrorist one reason to join themselfes and attack everyone (like they did on Spain). If the reason is - Saddam was a dictator, and we are freeying Iraqui people, you have a dictator much near US than Iraq, why not start with Cuba ? I know ... Cuba does not have oil ...
BTW, Iraq is in a civil war, and iraq people are living in a much worse situation now than they were before war.
From an economic prespective Clinton put US economy raisying year after year, and the facts are simple:
- More than 22 million new jobs
- Homeownership rate increase from 64.0% to 67.5%
- Lowest unemployment rate in 30 years
- Higher incomes at all levels
- Largest budget deficit in American history converted to the largest surplus of over $200 billion
- Lowest government spending as a percentage of GDP since 1974
- Higher stock ownership by families than ever before
- 220% increase in the Dow Jones Industrial Average, 300% increase in the Nasdaq from 1993 to 2001
Look at Bush budget and trade deficits and compare to Clinton. America will pay the twin deficits situation with a economic recession (this is on the books, it will have to happen), the dollar will fall, imported goods will raise, inflation will raise, and so on ... but when this happens you will blame the current president, that will be someone else other than Bush ... as you now economy is global, and if America is on a recession we in Europe will suffer too.
From a marketing and image prespective Clinton did a very fine job "selling" US image, the european people had good image of Clinton and of the American people, now about 80% of European don´t like Bush (our image of Bush is something like the one that you have from Hugo Chaves from Venezuela ... btw, I don´t like Chaves either, of course) and of course this affects our image of America (we do love American people, we don´t like Bush). This is important even from an economic perspective. You don´t buy a shirt made in Iran, do you ? Why ? Because you don´t like Iran ...
Sorry for the off-topic.

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Kooser

WTF?
But if we are going to go on a political digression here....
G.W.B. and his administration has buried the United States economically and tarnished our global reputation (even more critical) so much so that I doubt that it can EVER be repaired. Enough said, now back to your original thread,
You should probably negotiate another $5,000 off of the abovementioned price. Also, is this CT a CPO?

MadFox

Okay.. my final post on the matter... I love my Cayenne.. I hate my Cayenne.. I love my Cayenne.. I hate my Cayenne...

this political stuff is for another forum and another time.. but I'll be brief for my Portuguese friend.. Kooser buddy don't forget that under Clinton we had the first world trade center attack (it didn't succeed) and lots of the embassies/American interests around the world were blown up. It matters NOT who is at the pinnacle of our government. Terrorists don't stop regardless of what we do.. particulary these islamic fundamentalists. IRAQ is just an excuse. The only way to stop a terrorist is DEATH. Signed your retired Navy buddy, MadFox

alex911s

I'll say 77K, 12K off msrp would be good

356driver

MadFox, I'll stand by you. My little bro' was 100 feet from point of impact in the Pentagon, on his way toward Navy Ops which got wiped out by hijacked Flight 77. Fortunately he avoided injury but he lost 13 friends that day. I do not for one minute believe we started this war but there are a lot of people who have a <5 year memory. The U.S. was attacked by Islamic extremists to further their goals of fueling a holy war. I live every day in profound appreciation for the men and women who are fighting 7,000 miles away, because otherwise this war will end up back on our shores.
Please excuse the brief interlude but I had to step in and say something.

EnigmaWmn

Yes, OT, I know. But what do you, 356Driver and you, Madfox, think of this?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...13046180631815

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories

Kooser

Let me start by saying that your family is blessed that your little brother did not get harmed by the attack of the Pentagon.

My brother and cousin are fighting this "war" or let us call it what it really is and what THEY (my brother and cousin and most of their comrades) call it - an IVASION, an unjustified invasion.
Maybe you have forgotten the "< 5 years ago" who actually attacked us, not Iraq that is for sure. The Bush administration would like us all to collectively lump this war together with what happened on 9/11 but they have nothing to do with one another. If we are going to be on the offensive than we would need to INVADE many more countries that harbor terrorists. Spending our money here to strengthen our borders, our defenses, security is money wisely spent. Sending our soldiers into harms way for this is unforgiveable.

Automatically every staunch Republican pulls the trigger and says..."your un-American or un-patriotic" if you don't support this war and "you're not supporting the troops" B.S. The troops are and should be our only concern and we should bring them HOME. We cannot look any more foolish in the world's eyes than we already do. Do you honestly think that bringing the fight to "them" will protect us from another attack? Don't be a dolt. If anything we are depleting ourselves, spreading ourselves too thinly, not focusing on our home turf enough. There are so many other countries that are breeding grounds for terrorists and that harbor terrorists so why stop in Iraq? Why not Iran, Sudan, Syria, Libya, Cuba, North Korea, UAE, the list goes on. Hell at least with N. Korea and Iran we know that they have and will make W.M.D's! That is more than we could say about Iraq. Plus what about all the innocent civilians that are being killed on a daily basis?

Good God man, don't you know how F'd up Vietnam was?!?! All to "stop" the dominoe effect and spread of communism!

I too have a profound appreciation for our troops, that is precisely why we should not stand by with our thumbs up our asses and let more die every single day just because an imbecile (GWB) and his posse say it is justified. Of course what the hell else are they going to say!

My family members want to come home, they hate the war, hate it and do not agree with the B.S. reasons why we are there, and don't fool yourself, all the men and women know we shouldn't be there - and the ones that say otherwise have been brainwashed!

Sorry for the rant but witless commentary sets me off