Highly optioned CTT or CTTS?
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Highly optioned CTT or CTTS?
I’m currently considering purchase of two different 957s. The CTT is low milage at 56,000 and a beautiful colour combo of olive green metallic and camel interior. It is also optioned with PDCC. Immaculate condition
The CTTS is also very highly optioned with PCCB but has 76,000 miles. Lava Grey metallic with a two tone grey leather interior. Very clean condition also
Both are about the same money and both have excellent service histories with short oil change intervals.
On one hand, I prefer the fact the Turbo has lower milage and if I’m honest I like it’s exterior/interior a bit more. The milage difference of 20K is probably 5 years of driving for me.
On the other hand, I have a bit of FOMO regarding the Turbo S. Is it really that big of a step up from a well kept Turbo that has PDCC? I’d like to keep either car for the long term.
Appreciate input!
The CTTS is also very highly optioned with PCCB but has 76,000 miles. Lava Grey metallic with a two tone grey leather interior. Very clean condition also
Both are about the same money and both have excellent service histories with short oil change intervals.
On one hand, I prefer the fact the Turbo has lower milage and if I’m honest I like it’s exterior/interior a bit more. The milage difference of 20K is probably 5 years of driving for me.
On the other hand, I have a bit of FOMO regarding the Turbo S. Is it really that big of a step up from a well kept Turbo that has PDCC? I’d like to keep either car for the long term.
Appreciate input!
Last edited by spiller; Nov 7, 2021 at 07:12 AM.
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I’m currently considering purchase of two different 957s. The CTT is low milage at 56,000 and a beautiful colour combo of olive green metallic and camel interior. It is also optioned with PDCC. Immaculate condition
The CTTS is also very highly optioned with PCCB but has 76,000 miles. Lava Grey metallic with a two tone grey leather interior. Very clean condition also
Both are about the same money and both have excellent service histories with short oil change intervals.
On one hand, I prefer the fact the Turbo has lower milage and if I’m honest I like it’s exterior/interior a bit more. The milage difference of 20K is probably 5 years of driving for me.
On the other hand, I have a bit of FOMO regarding the Turbo S. Is it really that big of a step up from a well kept Turbo that has PDCC? I’d like to keep either car for the long term.
Appreciate input!
The CTTS is also very highly optioned with PCCB but has 76,000 miles. Lava Grey metallic with a two tone grey leather interior. Very clean condition also
Both are about the same money and both have excellent service histories with short oil change intervals.
On one hand, I prefer the fact the Turbo has lower milage and if I’m honest I like it’s exterior/interior a bit more. The milage difference of 20K is probably 5 years of driving for me.
On the other hand, I have a bit of FOMO regarding the Turbo S. Is it really that big of a step up from a well kept Turbo that has PDCC? I’d like to keep either car for the long term.
Appreciate input!
PDCC is the must have option for 957s in my opinion so that’s good that both have it.
I’m a sucker for go big or go home though: there’s lots of CTT owners, there’s not many of us CTTS owners.
Last edited by Libast; Nov 7, 2021 at 08:38 AM.
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Sounds you really favor the the color combo and condition of Turbo over the Turbo S. So, you should buy the Turbo and give me the contact info for the Turbo S 😆
But seriously, the only thing that stands out to me is the fact that the Turbo S will need front rotors soon if they have not already been replaced. Either way, budget a couple grand to sort it out after purchase.
I was in a similar situation 5 years ago only it was a Red 957 Turbo (no PDCC) vs a silver 955 Turbo S. I chose the 955 Turbo S and still love it.
But seriously, the only thing that stands out to me is the fact that the Turbo S will need front rotors soon if they have not already been replaced. Either way, budget a couple grand to sort it out after purchase.
I was in a similar situation 5 years ago only it was a Red 957 Turbo (no PDCC) vs a silver 955 Turbo S. I chose the 955 Turbo S and still love it.
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OP - 50 hp and much quicker off the line is the TTS model. I believe the S has the 82mm throttle body. Miles on any maintained TT really aren’t an issue, PCCB excepted ($$$). The ceramic discs should be inspected and measured for wear. Pano roof is an Achilles Heel for all Cayennes and needs inspecting. If you won’t miss the extra grunt, go with the TT since it ticks more boxes for you.
The snob in me says go for the TTS. Can’t imagine there are more than a handful in Oz. Heck, there were only 600 or so 955 TTS for all North America!
The snob in me says go for the TTS. Can’t imagine there are more than a handful in Oz. Heck, there were only 600 or so 955 TTS for all North America!
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Yes there are very few 957 turbos or turbo s here in Oz and probably no others with PCCB! I did not know about the pano roof issue, need to do some research on that.
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That is a tough choice. Personally, I absolutely love my Olive Green Metallic 957 GTS. I enjoy the color when I'm driving and when it's just sitting in my driveway. It is a very unique and rare color, which cannot be said of and silver/black/white car.
Lower mileage is good, but 50k to 70k is really not that much of a difference. It's really not till you get to 100k where you need to deal with suspension and driveshaft issues.
Few extra ponies and having the top TTS trim is cool. Brake job on TTS can be pricey, so make sure to check the brakes carefully.
I would go with the color. You can add the extra HP - not cheap, but a good tune and few tasteful upgrades will get you well over the stock TTS power levels for $2-3k. Re-painting the car properly is a non-starter type of project given where the values of E1 Cayenne's are at the moment (and you'd never see that money back).
Lower mileage is good, but 50k to 70k is really not that much of a difference. It's really not till you get to 100k where you need to deal with suspension and driveshaft issues.
Few extra ponies and having the top TTS trim is cool. Brake job on TTS can be pricey, so make sure to check the brakes carefully.
I would go with the color. You can add the extra HP - not cheap, but a good tune and few tasteful upgrades will get you well over the stock TTS power levels for $2-3k. Re-painting the car properly is a non-starter type of project given where the values of E1 Cayenne's are at the moment (and you'd never see that money back).
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That is a tough choice. Personally, I absolutely love my Olive Green Metallic 957 GTS. I enjoy the color when I'm driving and when it's just sitting in my driveway. It is a very unique and rare color, which cannot be said of and silver/black/white car.
Lower mileage is good, but 50k to 70k is really not that much of a difference. It's really not till you get to 100k where you need to deal with suspension and driveshaft issues.
Few extra ponies and having the top TTS trim is cool. Brake job on TTS can be pricey, so make sure to check the brakes carefully.
I would go with the color. You can add the extra HP - not cheap, but a good tune and few tasteful upgrades will get you well over the stock TTS power levels for $2-3k. Re-painting the car properly is a non-starter type of project given where the values of E1 Cayenne's are at the moment (and you'd never see that money back).
Lower mileage is good, but 50k to 70k is really not that much of a difference. It's really not till you get to 100k where you need to deal with suspension and driveshaft issues.
Few extra ponies and having the top TTS trim is cool. Brake job on TTS can be pricey, so make sure to check the brakes carefully.
I would go with the color. You can add the extra HP - not cheap, but a good tune and few tasteful upgrades will get you well over the stock TTS power levels for $2-3k. Re-painting the car properly is a non-starter type of project given where the values of E1 Cayenne's are at the moment (and you'd never see that money back).
The other factor in play here is the turbo is a 1 hour drive from me and is worked on by the shop that looks after my GT3, whereas the TTS would have to be a sight unseen (with PPI) purchase.
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The S. Has the much better looking aero kit l, 50 more HP, and you found one with PCCBs. I've seen 3 957 Cayennes with PCCBs and they're awesome. Tan interiors also don't wear as well as black ones.
Which one has never lived in a cold climate (look at the Carfax for previous registrations) where bore scoring is more prevalent. If the turbo is an 08, that's the year with the highest incidence of scoring from the Rennlist thread respondents.
Which one has never lived in a cold climate (look at the Carfax for previous registrations) where bore scoring is more prevalent. If the turbo is an 08, that's the year with the highest incidence of scoring from the Rennlist thread respondents.
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Tough choice! I have a Turbo S so I guess I'm biased... Having had a black interior (GTS) and also the tan (Turbo S), certainly the tan takes more care. My wife marred up the tan passenger seat with a black rubber boot and I think it needs some professional attention. However, my tan interior is in amazing shape and it looks really classy and warm, especially against the Macademia brown exterior. The Lava Gray on the Turbo S is a special/cool color and it looks awesome, especially with the yellow PCCBs. The green/tan turbo sounds really nice and unique but there are quite a number of turbos. So, it kind of depends on what you're going for. If you want a unique combo, both could work, but the Turbo S is a more rare trim level as many less were made. Plus, if you're already in for the extra potential costs/time by adding a turbo, why not have the one with 50 more hp?! Cheers
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I love the panoramic roof on my CTT. Everyone justifiably dislikes them for legitimate reasons. They are right, I am not :-). The PDCC is, as others have said, a must. As for the PCCBs, those are a rare option, and they carry a hefty parts expense, but the 957 is -heavy- and I can only imagine how well they work...As an aside I don't have PDCC, so I can only stare with envious eyes at the others.
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I actually like the pano roof, although (knock on wood) mine works perfectly. I did have a squeak above my head but fixed it easily with a little felt. I try not to use it too much but it absolutely brightens up the cabin quite a bit. Regarding the brakes, I ran my CTTS through about 25 runs at an autocross a couple weekends ago (about 50 seconds each run, 4-5 min. wait time between runs) and the standard brakes were outstanding. Not a hint of fade, even with the harder ceramic pads. I have to believe the PCCBs would be even better over time, but no idea how the actual stopping compares between the two.
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The S. Has the much better looking aero kit l, 50 more HP, and you found one with PCCBs. I've seen 3 957 Cayennes with PCCBs and they're awesome. Tan interiors also don't wear as well as black ones.
Which one has never lived in a cold climate (look at the Carfax for previous registrations) where bore scoring is more prevalent. If the turbo is an 08, that's the year with the highest incidence of scoring from the Rennlist thread respondents.
Which one has never lived in a cold climate (look at the Carfax for previous registrations) where bore scoring is more prevalent. If the turbo is an 08, that's the year with the highest incidence of scoring from the Rennlist thread respondents.
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Although I'm not wild about the two-tone gray interior, I'd probably pick the Turbo S. I think the general concern about borescoring is when the engine block cold soaks at freezing temperatures, i.e. when the block itself is below 0 C. The actual ambient temperature of concern is of course variable depending on how long the temperature is below freezing, how long the car is parked, whether it's in a garage, etc. The purported issue is that the pistons expand at a different rate than the block and the ring tolerance is too tight leading to scoring. If the area only occasionally saw -1C maximum I wouldn't be too concerned about scoring personally.
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Funny, never looked to see where you're from. Been to your place a couple of times and to Melbourne in winter. You're right that the weather isn't anywhere near what we get here in the US. I'm from SoCal originally and Melbourne was a light coat compared to anywhere from the center of the US on up during the winter. Cars are crazy money there and no doubt both are rare. It's still a much a personal choice, but you may have better luck with the Turbo as some of parts are shared with the VW and they may be more available on the continent. You may be one of the people who might regret not getting an S, since you know it's out there
Quick funny story about a customer from Melbourne. I was heading to visit our factory in Shanghai (from LA) a long time ago and he wanted to visit me there, which is about an 8 hour flight or something. The meeting was only going to be an hour or two long (plus maybe dinner), that's it. I said that's a long way for a short meeting. He laughed and asked if I remembered where he lived... He said 8 hours is just the start to get anywhere else in the world. He proudly denounced that we're spoiled in the US when we whine about a NYC to LAX flight at 5 hours. He did end up meeting me and couldn't have been happier about it. You guys are nuts! Cheers!
Quick funny story about a customer from Melbourne. I was heading to visit our factory in Shanghai (from LA) a long time ago and he wanted to visit me there, which is about an 8 hour flight or something. The meeting was only going to be an hour or two long (plus maybe dinner), that's it. I said that's a long way for a short meeting. He laughed and asked if I remembered where he lived... He said 8 hours is just the start to get anywhere else in the world. He proudly denounced that we're spoiled in the US when we whine about a NYC to LAX flight at 5 hours. He did end up meeting me and couldn't have been happier about it. You guys are nuts! Cheers!