Red flags or am I being to picky
#61
Sounds as if it was a slow week in the shop and the dealer got Porsche to pay to keep his mechanic's busy. AFAIK - there is only one oil evaporator/separator - but if it clogged up and pressurized the crankcase it might have been the cause for all those oil leaks. Cayenne V8's aren't British, they aren't known for leaving puddles of oil behind wherever they go..
Was the dealership in an area where it gets cold in the winter? Those are the dealerships desperate for work in winter months - all the flat-6 cars are sleeping all winter in a warm garage somewhere, only Cayennes and Macans are out on the road breaking things that need fixing. Dealers have to size the service department for the gravy seasons of spring/summer/fall - meaning they're oversized in the winter - and laying off a good mechanic often results in the mechanic opening his own shop and becoming a competitor to the dealer's service department - so dealers look for ways to keep the mechanics busy in the winter.
Was the dealership in an area where it gets cold in the winter? Those are the dealerships desperate for work in winter months - all the flat-6 cars are sleeping all winter in a warm garage somewhere, only Cayennes and Macans are out on the road breaking things that need fixing. Dealers have to size the service department for the gravy seasons of spring/summer/fall - meaning they're oversized in the winter - and laying off a good mechanic often results in the mechanic opening his own shop and becoming a competitor to the dealer's service department - so dealers look for ways to keep the mechanics busy in the winter.
I suppose these could all be used as a possible bargaining chip should I decide to try and get this thing.
#63
Again the seals seem ridiculous, but I agree that the dealer was probably just making up some BS to get paid... Weeping M1 is a great way to prevent rust! LOL
#67
#68
I made them an offer on it. They want $26,900. I asked if they would let it go for $25,000 considering the recent engine out service and my cost to either have it inspected and shipped, or to travel up there myself. Will see what they say.
#70
They counter offered. The vehicle has a hole in the rear bumper from where the previous owner backed into a tow hitch. The missing keys arrived today and he says it just went to the body shop today, should be ready next week. They are telling me my offer makes it hard for them to be profitable because of the bumper repair and how that comes out of their price/profit. Says they want to work with me to wrap it up so he went to the general manager and reluctantly talked him into going down to $26k.
Sounds like the usual car price haggle script. I think I'm either going to stick firm with $25k or counter at $25.5k. I have a hard time believing it impacts their profit too much when their own body shop is doing the repairs. I know the new bumper is going to cost them, however I am fairly certain any good salesman who took that car in on trade (which coincidentally is the same salesman I am dealing with now) would have already dinged the previous owner on the trade-in value for the bumper repair instead of adding that cost to the asking price or planning on passing that cost down to the next buyer. I know the lost keys they had to replace probably cost them as well, but that isn't my problem. In fact as I am typing all that out...I think I am going to tell them I am sticking firm at $25k for now. If they tell me to kick rocks or don't call back, I'll wait it out a couple days then counter offer.
Sounds like the usual car price haggle script. I think I'm either going to stick firm with $25k or counter at $25.5k. I have a hard time believing it impacts their profit too much when their own body shop is doing the repairs. I know the new bumper is going to cost them, however I am fairly certain any good salesman who took that car in on trade (which coincidentally is the same salesman I am dealing with now) would have already dinged the previous owner on the trade-in value for the bumper repair instead of adding that cost to the asking price or planning on passing that cost down to the next buyer. I know the lost keys they had to replace probably cost them as well, but that isn't my problem. In fact as I am typing all that out...I think I am going to tell them I am sticking firm at $25k for now. If they tell me to kick rocks or don't call back, I'll wait it out a couple days then counter offer.
#71
When you get to this point, the real question is whether your time to search and find another candidate, look at it, test drive it, and then start the negotiation process all over again is worth $500-$1,000. To me it wouldn't be. I'd tell them you're willing to meet in the middle at 25.5 and be done. More fun driving these things than shopping for them and have them keep disappearing on you.
Just my opinion.
Just my opinion.
#72
When you get to this point, the real question is whether your time to search and find another candidate, look at it, test drive it, and then start the negotiation process all over again is worth $500-$1,000. To me it wouldn't be. I'd tell them you're willing to meet in the middle at 25.5 and be done. More fun driving these things than shopping for them and have them keep disappearing on you.
Just my opinion.
Just my opinion.
#73
So I did email them a counter of $25.5k. Asked them if I put a deposit on it and traveled up there and found the vehicle not as described, I would want my deposit back. Thought about asking them to cover my plane ticket back home as well but thought that was stretching it. My wife if still iffy on the whole deal. She thinks 53k miles is too much for a 10 year old car for $25k...but she is used to driving crappy cars. She doesn't get it yet...but she will once she drives it.
Go ahead and berate me but I am debating even getting a PPI unless I have it shipped instead of going to get it myself. I have the majority of the service records including the inspection results and maintenance they performed when it got traded in. Got new tires, new plugs (didn't say coils but asked them), brakes checked and bled, oil change and all fluids checked. It had the engine out repair about 3k miles ago, and all appears to be working on the up and up. I probably should though just to be safe.
Go ahead and berate me but I am debating even getting a PPI unless I have it shipped instead of going to get it myself. I have the majority of the service records including the inspection results and maintenance they performed when it got traded in. Got new tires, new plugs (didn't say coils but asked them), brakes checked and bled, oil change and all fluids checked. It had the engine out repair about 3k miles ago, and all appears to be working on the up and up. I probably should though just to be safe.
#74
FWIW, I did not get a PPI, but I was able to see and drive the Cayenne before purchase. As you have seen the 2009-2010 seem to have a good reputation.
Go into any used car transaction expecting a few thousand in deferred maintenance fixes etc. Granted yours seems like it was just serviced and should be good to go.
That being said the 2009s just took a hit as they are 10 years old. Expect the 2010 to take a serious value hit as well in a year. I'm in the same boat, depreciation is a solid 5k this year... But I wanted a 2010 and was willing to take the beating.
IMO 25k is more than fair. nicely tell them to go fist themselves if over 25,001! I agree that they "deducted" for any bodywork on trade-in. Plus they have both sides of this deal = making money.
Go into any used car transaction expecting a few thousand in deferred maintenance fixes etc. Granted yours seems like it was just serviced and should be good to go.
That being said the 2009s just took a hit as they are 10 years old. Expect the 2010 to take a serious value hit as well in a year. I'm in the same boat, depreciation is a solid 5k this year... But I wanted a 2010 and was willing to take the beating.
IMO 25k is more than fair. nicely tell them to go fist themselves if over 25,001! I agree that they "deducted" for any bodywork on trade-in. Plus they have both sides of this deal = making money.
#75
Well I tried sticking to my guns at $25k but got an email from the sales manager who declined and said if they got another one in for that price they’d let me know. Or if I changed my mind then $26k is their lowest price. I tried one more counter at $25.5k to see if they bite. The car is still in the shop getting a new bumper until sometime this next week so nobody else is able to view yet. If they still won’t go for that I may suck it up and just get it before someone else does.