Warning!: no start after fill up
#1
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Warning!: no start after fill up
i have a 2006 S. It has always started quickly with no drama. Saturday I filled it with gas and it just cranked and cranked without starting until the battery died. I was fortunate to push it 10 feet and park it and caught Uber Home. I was thinking fuel pump and started researching. There was mention of crank position sensor. Kept reading and found a bunch of stories of my exact experience.
Its the tank vent valve. I learned it will start if you floor the pedal and then crank it. I went back with jumper and sure enough it fired up. Now the $100 part is on order and looks very simple to change. You have been warned!
Its the tank vent valve. I learned it will start if you floor the pedal and then crank it. I went back with jumper and sure enough it fired up. Now the $100 part is on order and looks very simple to change. You have been warned!
#4
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#5
Burning Brakes
Thanks for sharing the experience. I'll try to remember that one. BTW, the repeated cranking is a good way to kill a starter. It just gets too hot and stays hot if you keep trying it. Good to hear yours survived, but it may have been weakened.
#6
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More info please
Part number?
picture?
exact location. Of the valve please...
i have a very similar issue right now and don't really want to rip into the fuel pumps.
thanks
picture?
exact location. Of the valve please...
i have a very similar issue right now and don't really want to rip into the fuel pumps.
thanks
i have a 2006 S. It has always started quickly with no drama. Saturday I filled it with gas and it just cranked and cranked without starting until the battery died. I was fortunate to push it 10 feet and park it and caught Uber Home. I was thinking fuel pump and started researching. There was mention of crank position sensor. Kept reading and found a bunch of stories of my exact experience.
Its the tank vent valve. I learned it will start if you floor the pedal and then crank it. I went back with jumper and sure enough it fired up. Now the $100 part is on order and looks very simple to change. You have been warned!
Its the tank vent valve. I learned it will start if you floor the pedal and then crank it. I went back with jumper and sure enough it fired up. Now the $100 part is on order and looks very simple to change. You have been warned!
#7
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Vacuum systems are a pain in the *** when it comes to emissions management. There's other posts here on rennlist that mention those codes. Search is your friend, especially if you use the whole code (P0491,etc) when posting/searching.
That and do you know the age of the battery? They don't last forever. If you run it until dead you WILL harm it. Using lead acid batteries below 11 volts will greatly reduce it's lifespan. I've had boats for years and this is one thing you REALLY have to avoid. Any car battery older than 5 years is a gamble. Sure, some folks have fringe examples of getting longer than that, but for the most part if it's 5 years old you should budget to replace it.
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#8
Racer
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So it warned you ahead of time and you did, what about it?
Vacuum systems are a pain in the *** when it comes to emissions management. There's other posts here on rennlist that mention those codes. Search is your friend, especially if you use the whole code (P0491,etc) when posting/searching.
That and do you know the age of the battery? They don't last forever. If you run it until dead you WILL harm it. Using lead acid batteries below 11 volts will greatly reduce it's lifespan. I've had boats for years and this is one thing you REALLY have to avoid. Any car battery older than 5 years is a gamble. Sure, some folks have fringe examples of getting longer than that, but for the most part if it's 5 years old you should budget to replace it.
Vacuum systems are a pain in the *** when it comes to emissions management. There's other posts here on rennlist that mention those codes. Search is your friend, especially if you use the whole code (P0491,etc) when posting/searching.
That and do you know the age of the battery? They don't last forever. If you run it until dead you WILL harm it. Using lead acid batteries below 11 volts will greatly reduce it's lifespan. I've had boats for years and this is one thing you REALLY have to avoid. Any car battery older than 5 years is a gamble. Sure, some folks have fringe examples of getting longer than that, but for the most part if it's 5 years old you should budget to replace it.
Now code P0441 would tell me otherwise. Wkearney99- Am I missing something?
#9
Racer
Thread Starter
Part number?
picture?
exact location. Of the valve please...
i have a very similar issue right now and don't really want to rip into the fuel pumps.
thanks
https://youtu.be/iO_cyOmqUh8
picture?
exact location. Of the valve please...
i have a very similar issue right now and don't really want to rip into the fuel pumps.
thanks
https://youtu.be/iO_cyOmqUh8
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Good post about starter cooldowns after cranking attempts.
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When I read codes having already been seen, without other debugging having been done, it raises some questions. When you start seeing emissions/vacuum-related codes it's a sign things are likely going to be an adventure to fix.
#12
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Code question
Would the P0441 code show up in an OBD port reader or only with a durametric?
I have the no start symptom but my OBD reader shows no codes
thanks
The takeaway from my post is..if you have this issue. ...until you get this replacement done, start motor with pedal floored AFTER filling the tank with fuel.
https://youtu.be/iO_cyOmqUh8
Last edited by s4for5; 03-14-2018 at 01:23 PM.
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More than you ever wanted to know about OBD-II:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On-board_diagnostics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OBD-II_PIDs
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Part number help on this please
Pelican shows 94811020201 as a crankcase breather and 94811020203 as the Purge valve for fuel vapor canister.
does the 03 replace the 01 ???
TIA
Pelican shows 94811020201 as a crankcase breather and 94811020203 as the Purge valve for fuel vapor canister.
does the 03 replace the 01 ???
TIA
Last edited by s4for5; 03-18-2018 at 11:30 AM.