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Old 12-29-2005, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by m21sniper
A properly prepared 944 will run with pretty much anything at the track. The 951 Turbo is considered by many to be the 'ultimate' porsche, the perfect blend of light weight, turbo power, and awesome handling(I prefer the heavier V-8 928, but that's me, lol).

Can we say that about the Boxster?

I see a lot of racing vids posted here, i never see any boxsters running with the big dog 944, 928, 911 pack.

If anyone has a boxster that does run with the big dogs, i'd sure be interested in checking it out.

Regardless, i would own a boxster or a 944....and both would be best. They'd look great next to my V-8 powered 928S.
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I just want to preface my comment by saying I am a 20+ year Porsche enthusiast. I have owned 7 Porsches, a 944, a 928S (5spd), a 911SC, a 911 3.6, a 993, a Boxster (2.5L), and now a modded 996 TT (500+HP).
I have tracked the 928S, the Boxster, and now the TT.
The 944 (and 951) are good Porsches. But I certainly don't think the 951 is "the ultimate Porsche"!!! And I don't know too many people who think so! There is the GT3, GT2, the TT to consider. I have done a few DE's in my time, and the 951, 928 are NOT considered "the Big Dogs" at ANY DE I have attended. There is hardly even a single 928 at any event! The 944's are a nice platform, but slow. The 951's are faster, but not the fastest on the track, by far. The Big dogs are usually The 996Cups, the 993/964 Cups, the GT2's, the GT3's, and the TwinTurbos. I don't know what videos you have been watching! At the last DE at RoadAtlanta, a well driven 987S was actually giving me a run for my money!
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Old 12-30-2005, 12:20 PM
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currently I have a 944 turbo pushing 260 hp, handling is superb, and when that turbo kicks in (DAMN) . But its almost 20 years old and the little things are naggling me (20 yr old plastic breaks easily) and I have grown tired of chasing leaks. The car over all remains solid but I am possibly looking to something new - possibley a boxster. My only real opposing thought is that the 944 have goobs of power upgrades (360 hp is only $1,300 away) and I am addicted to speed now. Plus it is a fairly easy to work on vehicle (as long as changing the clutch is not involved) - someone please convince me why? push me over the "buy a 986" edge.
The good thing about cars is that they are not jealous. You can have a deep and meaningful relationship with both at the same time. At first I felt bad about two-timing my 914 with a younger and prettier Porsche...........Shhh! I don't even think it knows.

I'm getting away with it so far.........
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Old 01-04-2006, 11:30 PM
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My .02 worth...I race a 944 NA in I-class and drive a Boxster with a 3.4. My 944 has a full race suspension, including charlie arms so it can be lowered as much as possible, full mono-*****, camber plates, 650lb front springs, helper rear springs, dual adjustable Konis and adjustable sway bars. My Boxster has only lowering springs. IMO if I put Hoosiers on the Boxster it would out-handle the race car. The mid-engine and lower center of gravity make the difference. Even in street trim my Boxster is lower than my race 944. I also instruct for PCA and have ridden in a lot of Porsches and I think that the Boxster is the easiest to drive fast. (note I didn't say that it is the fastest!)
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Old 01-06-2006, 12:19 AM
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having owned both cars I say get the Boxster S unless you really want to mod, where the 951 shines. But honestly, while the 951 was easy to mod, I hated the fact that it was old, creaky, had so many damned issues and I personally had to be a mechanic not to spend so much money to keep it going right.

The Boxster S was the most fun car I've ever driven, over the M3 and my 996Turbo because of the handling, midengine layout, braking and the feel.

It is a modern car, and while the 951 can be modded, it's just too much work to keep running (as you know).

After spending $4k on the 951 in maintenance and upgrades, and then a month later needing another $700+ at IMA motorsports for some stupid leak, I decided enough is enough... I'd rather buy a modern car and have it all (996Turbo) and spend nearly the same lol.

But yeah Boxster S is modern, fun. Just be ready for the stigma of being a lowly Boxster or chick car... if that doesn't bother you, then the only thing left is lack of CHEAP mods. But you'll be happy the way it drives. Get on the track and you'll be all smiles. Or get the ultimate Boxster.. the Cayman S.
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Old 01-06-2006, 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by KJM3SMG
The Boxster S was the most fun car I've ever driven, over the M3 and my 996Turbo because of the handling, midengine layout, braking and the feel.
It's interesting to hear you say so. I've also driven notable Porsches such as the 993TT and the 996 Mk. 2 GT3. While I was impressed with both cars, neither was as fun to drive as the Boxster S.

I realize "fun" is a subjective term. For me it's a combination of engine intake/exhaust note, steering feel, torque, balance, power, handling/grip, and open sky above the cabin.

Yes, the GT3 and 993TT were wonderful cars. . . . but in both instances, after the test drive was done, I felt surprisingly happy to be back in my Boxster S.

As far as the "stigma" . . . screw what other people think. Drive what you enjoy. Life's too short to worry about that sort of crap.
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Old 01-07-2006, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Sean
The 986 has greater torsional rigitity than a 993 coupe.

I don't know the stats for the 944, but it's a safe bet the Boxster is much more rigid. That stiffness, combined with mid-engine weight balance, makes for a great handling car. In Road and Track's recent sports car comparison, the 987 S achieved the highest slalom speed ever tested by the magazine, faster than the Ferrari Enzo.
A new Ford Focus has higher torsional rigidity than a 993 coupe - that doesn't mean it handles better. (yawn) when people are overly simplistic in their assessment of "performance," you come across as a little retarded Are you trying to say the 987S handles better than the Enzo? If you believe that, I have some prime Florida swampland you might be interested in...
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Old 01-07-2006, 10:22 AM
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Boxster S will cost you $25k for a decent example. A 951S with suspension and engine mods (350bhp) you can have for under $16k. 951S brakes are just as good as the Boxster's. Boxster will still have slightly sharper turn-in, but overall grip probably comparable. Turbo much more fun to drive (humble opinion). Good luck trying to keep pace with well prepared 951S in anything but a very highly modded Boxster.
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Old 01-07-2006, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by jean_noir
But its almost 20 years old and the little things are naggling me (20 yr old plastic breaks easily) and I have grown tired of chasing leaks. The car over all remains solid but I am possibly looking to something new
Read again what you wrote and I think you might have answered your own question.

Keep the 944 and get a Boxster - if you can't do that then get a new Boxster S
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Old 01-07-2006, 08:36 PM
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Yeah, and (yawn) we all know mr 964pcar is objective when it comes to anything made after 1993.

Read Road and Track's ultimate sportscar shootout, read the objective stats from their data acquisition through various turns, and read the pro drivers comments about the 997S and 987S. The Boxster outhandles many of the cars in tighter turns or areas where its unmatched balance and great grip allows it to carry more speed and get on the throttle sooner.

An unmodified 951 is a nice car, but the 987s will outhandle it easily due to its better suspension (20 years of tuning) and mid engine balance.

You can't compare highly modded cars (i.e. 944 platforms) against a stock car (i.e. 987/986) that is where the term retarded applies .
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Old 01-07-2006, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris C.
You can't compare highly modded cars (i.e. 944 platforms) against a stock car (i.e. 987/986) that is where the term retarded applies .
haha yeah... why don't we just get Civics and put $3k and blow all kinds of cars away lol.
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Old 01-08-2006, 12:32 AM
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The original post is about a guy contemplating selling his modified 944 turbo and buying a boxster s. My point was that a modded 951 is still cheaper than a stock boxster s. You people who launch into defense-mode over your cars whenever they're commented on, (yawn). I have compared a boxster s directly to a 400bhp 951S, we sold one to get the other. One cost under $17k including mods, one cost $36k (at the time it was relatively new). I'll let you guys take a wild guess which car was faster around the track.

By the way my current car was made after 1993, Chris C.
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Old 01-08-2006, 02:43 AM
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I have a 951S and I've driven my brothers 2003 Boxster. Just hearing the engine tone alone made me fall in love with the car. Too bad it was a Tiptronic tranny. If I had the garage space I would have bought one a long time ago. I don't think a 944 or 951 will even compare to the handling of a stock Boxster unless the 944/951 is prepped properly. But I just love both cars.....
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Old 01-08-2006, 10:10 PM
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I have both the Boxster S and the 996TT. The Boxster puts a smile on my face everytime I get into it. If I had to chose between the two, the Boxster S would be an easy choice for me. Get the Boxster S.

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Old 01-13-2006, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by RXDOC
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I just want to preface my comment by saying I am a 20+ year Porsche enthusiast. I have owned 7 Porsches, a 944, a 928S (5spd), a 911SC, a 911 3.6, a 993, a Boxster (2.5L), and now a modded 996 TT (500+HP).
I have tracked the 928S, the Boxster, and now the TT.
The 944 (and 951) are good Porsches. But I certainly don't think the 951 is "the ultimate Porsche"!!! And I don't know too many people who think so! There is the GT3, GT2, the TT to consider. I have done a few DE's in my time, and the 951, 928 are NOT considered "the Big Dogs" at ANY DE I have attended. There is hardly even a single 928 at any event! The 944's are a nice platform, but slow. The 951's are faster, but not the fastest on the track, by far. The Big dogs are usually The 996Cups, the 993/964 Cups, the GT2's, the GT3's, and the TwinTurbos. I don't know what videos you have been watching! At the last DE at RoadAtlanta, a well driven 987S was actually giving me a run for my money!
Mark Anderson's 928 has eaten 911 turbos of all varieties alive at the track, and i'm talking race prepped GT3s here. He's posted the vids(928 forum). Kibbort's 928 is also a very competitive car in his class.

I personally don't consider the 951 the ultimate porsche, but i've seen the idea advanced by more than a few people(most no doubt 944 owners).

I absolutely love V-8s, so to me the 928 is the ultimate porsche. I rank the 911 turbo second(LOVE turbos), followed by the 951 turbo. After that i like the 968, and then i'd pick a Boxster S. Of course this excludes the Carerra GT, which from my standpoint is totally unobtainable, lol.
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Old 01-14-2006, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by m21sniper
Mark Anderson's 928 has eaten 911 turbos of all varieties alive at the track, and i'm talking race prepped GT3s here. He's posted the vids(928 forum). Kibbort's 928 is also a very competitive car in his class.

I personally don't consider the 951 the ultimate porsche, but i've seen the idea advanced by more than a few people(most no doubt 944 owners).

I absolutely love V-8s, so to me the 928 is the ultimate porsche. I rank the 911 turbo second(LOVE turbos), followed by the 951 turbo. After that i like the 968, and then i'd pick a Boxster S. Of course this excludes the Carerra GT, which from my standpoint is totally unobtainable, lol.
Hey, I am glad that you like your 928! I owned an 85 928S blk/blk 5speed. Loved the lines. With that odd shift pattern!
I am sure there are a few highly modded 928's that run well, but in general the 928 (with it's weight and HP) is not a top track car. A stock Boxster S, or TT, or GT3-2, will run circles around a stock 928 and 951.
When it comes to race modded, check out Michael Lanski's (now sold) Track prep Boxster Race Car. That thing will run with the cup cars. But, like the 928's you mentioned, is a rare/unique car.
BTW, I used to AX my 928, and ALWAYS came in first-in-class. Because I was the only entry in that class.
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