new SCCA for Porsche
01-22-2010, 09:44 PM
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new SCCA for Porsche
NOT RECOMMENDED
- Stock: Classify Porsche 997 GT3 (ref. 09-724) Comment: The 996 GT3 has demonstrated parity with the top of the SS
class, and the 997 is seen as having significant advantages beyond the 996.
- ST: Classify Toyota MR2 Turbo in STR (ref. 09-670)
- ST: Classify Acura NSX in STR (ref. 09-670)
- ST: Classify Porsche Boxster in STR (ref. 09-699)
- ST: Turbo FWD cars in STX (ref. 09-685)
- ST: Drivetrain Mounts (ref. 09-692)
- ST: STR catalytic converter allowances (ref. 09-728)
- SP: Reclassify Porsche 997 GT3 (ref. 09-724) Comment: The **** feels this car can be competitive where it is presently
classed.
- SP: Allow use of a line lock to satisfy emergency brake requirement (ref. 09-724)
- Stock: Classify Porsche 997 GT3 (ref. 09-724) Comment: The 996 GT3 has demonstrated parity with the top of the SS
class, and the 997 is seen as having significant advantages beyond the 996.
- ST: Classify Toyota MR2 Turbo in STR (ref. 09-670)
- ST: Classify Acura NSX in STR (ref. 09-670)
- ST: Classify Porsche Boxster in STR (ref. 09-699)
- ST: Turbo FWD cars in STX (ref. 09-685)
- ST: Drivetrain Mounts (ref. 09-692)
- ST: STR catalytic converter allowances (ref. 09-728)
- SP: Reclassify Porsche 997 GT3 (ref. 09-724) Comment: The **** feels this car can be competitive where it is presently
classed.
- SP: Allow use of a line lock to satisfy emergency brake requirement (ref. 09-724)
4. Stock: per the SAC, the following new listing item is added, effective immediately upon publication:
Porsche Boxster Spyder (‘11) SS
Porsche Boxster Spyder (‘11) SS
01-23-2010, 09:19 AM
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I was reading the SCCA rules and cannot find a class designation for the 2009-2010 base Cayman. The 2009-2010 Cayman S and Boxster S have been put in Super stock (SS), the 2008 and earlier Cayman S and Boxster S in A stock (AS). The 2008 and earlier base Cayman and Boxster are in B stock (BS) but there is no reference ot the 2009-2010 base Cayman and or base Boxster. Anyone have an answer.
01-23-2010, 11:24 AM
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There is no listing for the '09+ base Boxster and Cayman that I can find. Until there is one they go to SS by default. I have asked a Stock Class Advisory Committee member for a clarification. Should hear from him shortly.
01-23-2010, 04:24 PM
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01-23-2010, 07:13 PM
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01-23-2010, 09:40 PM
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according ot the link you gave, it is the 2008 and earlier Cayman and Boxster that is in "B" stock. Unless I am missing something I have not found the 2009-2010 Cayman (non S) or the Boxster (non S) listed. I certainly do not want to run Super stock with a base Cayman it would be non-competitive against the Cayman/ Boxster S and the other cars in that class
My bet is that you are making this harder than you need to. There were not huge performance gains for the 2009 or 2010 cayman. Classify it as B/S until you get protested, in the mean time write a note to the solo board.
01-24-2010, 02:21 PM
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Section 13.1 of the rules state:
"Car models not specifically listed in any Stock Category class must have been produced, and must meet the above requirements and been sold through normal U.S. dealerships, in quantities of at least 1,000 in a 12-month period in order to be eligible for the Stock Category."
Appendix A states:
"All unclassified cars will compete in Super Stock until classified by the SEB, unless covered by a “catch-all” description. To use the catch-alls at the end of the specific car classes in Appendix A, start from Super Stock and work down the classes until a class is found. Such unclassified cars will not be eligible for Divisionals, Tours, or the National Championships. Members should look for a Tech Bulletin in
an early current-year issue of the official SCCA publication (FastrackNews) for details or contact the National office."
There are no catchalls listed in A, B, C, D, E, or G. The catchall for F is all V-8 sedans (which Box and Cayman don't fit. And the catchall for H is all Pickups NOC which Box and Cay don't fit.
So, until a ruling is made '09+ Boxster and Cayman are in SS. However, I am sure that SEB will rule shortly to put them in AS or BS. The reason we might see them in AS as opposed to BS is because of the availability of the LSD.
"Car models not specifically listed in any Stock Category class must have been produced, and must meet the above requirements and been sold through normal U.S. dealerships, in quantities of at least 1,000 in a 12-month period in order to be eligible for the Stock Category."
Appendix A states:
"All unclassified cars will compete in Super Stock until classified by the SEB, unless covered by a “catch-all” description. To use the catch-alls at the end of the specific car classes in Appendix A, start from Super Stock and work down the classes until a class is found. Such unclassified cars will not be eligible for Divisionals, Tours, or the National Championships. Members should look for a Tech Bulletin in
an early current-year issue of the official SCCA publication (FastrackNews) for details or contact the National office."
There are no catchalls listed in A, B, C, D, E, or G. The catchall for F is all V-8 sedans (which Box and Cayman don't fit. And the catchall for H is all Pickups NOC which Box and Cay don't fit.
So, until a ruling is made '09+ Boxster and Cayman are in SS. However, I am sure that SEB will rule shortly to put them in AS or BS. The reason we might see them in AS as opposed to BS is because of the availability of the LSD.
01-24-2010, 03:52 PM
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How is a traditional LSD better than the electronic version Boxsters and Caymans already sport? Seems like it should be irrelevant whether the power is redistributed from the slipping wheel through the hub or at the brake rotors.
01-24-2010, 03:56 PM
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Section 13.1 of the rules state:
"Car models not specifically listed in any Stock Category class must have been produced, and must meet the above requirements and been sold through normal U.S. dealerships, in quantities of at least 1,000 in a 12-month period in order to be eligible for the Stock Category."
Appendix A states:
"All unclassified cars will compete in Super Stock until classified by the SEB, unless covered by a “catch-all” description. To use the catch-alls at the end of the specific car classes in Appendix A, start from Super Stock and work down the classes until a class is found. Such unclassified cars will not be eligible for Divisionals, Tours, or the National Championships. Members should look for a Tech Bulletin in
an early current-year issue of the official SCCA publication (FastrackNews) for details or contact the National office."
There are no catchalls listed in A, B, C, D, E, or G. The catchall for F is all V-8 sedans (which Box and Cayman don't fit. And the catchall for H is all Pickups NOC which Box and Cay don't fit.
So, until a ruling is made '09+ Boxster and Cayman are in SS. However, I am sure that SEB will rule shortly to put them in AS or BS. The reason we might see them in AS as opposed to BS is because of the availability of the LSD.
"Car models not specifically listed in any Stock Category class must have been produced, and must meet the above requirements and been sold through normal U.S. dealerships, in quantities of at least 1,000 in a 12-month period in order to be eligible for the Stock Category."
Appendix A states:
"All unclassified cars will compete in Super Stock until classified by the SEB, unless covered by a “catch-all” description. To use the catch-alls at the end of the specific car classes in Appendix A, start from Super Stock and work down the classes until a class is found. Such unclassified cars will not be eligible for Divisionals, Tours, or the National Championships. Members should look for a Tech Bulletin in
an early current-year issue of the official SCCA publication (FastrackNews) for details or contact the National office."
There are no catchalls listed in A, B, C, D, E, or G. The catchall for F is all V-8 sedans (which Box and Cayman don't fit. And the catchall for H is all Pickups NOC which Box and Cay don't fit.
So, until a ruling is made '09+ Boxster and Cayman are in SS. However, I am sure that SEB will rule shortly to put them in AS or BS. The reason we might see them in AS as opposed to BS is because of the availability of the LSD.
01-24-2010, 07:41 PM
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Traditional LSDs work. Porsche's e-diff (ABD) doesn't really. That's very relevant to how the cars are classed.
01-25-2010, 07:47 PM
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01-26-2010, 01:31 PM
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The SCCA National Convention is abouyt to happen. In conjunction with that I replied to an email from the solo board about input. I complained about the cayman issue and also bad info on the scca website. Heere is the latest response:
Hi,
We are still working on making all of the changes to the 2010 rulebook. Along with getting ready for convention we haven’t had time to update the car listings for 2010. They will be up as soon as we can get it up. For right now go by the 2010 rules that are posted which that is always what you need to go by in the end. As for the base Cayman the Stock Advisory Committee (SAC) actually just realized the other day that this car is not classed yet. They are working on deciding a class for it. Since it isn’t listed yet as soon as the SAC and the SEB decide on a class and post it in a FasTrack it will be effective immediately because it will be in a tech bulletin. For a regional event the region can decide where it can run though because of rule 1.1 which allows regions to class cars how they see fit. If the region feels the car should be run in AS or BS at a regional event it can do that. For a Divisional or National event it would be SS. I would venture a guess that you will see the base Cayman classed in a FasTrack by March or April.
Brian Harmer
SCCA Solo Technical Specialist
1-800-770-2055
Solo National Rules: http://www.scca.com/documents/Solo_R...Solo_Rules.pdf
FastTrack: http://www.scca.com/contentpage.aspx?content=78
We are still working on making all of the changes to the 2010 rulebook. Along with getting ready for convention we haven’t had time to update the car listings for 2010. They will be up as soon as we can get it up. For right now go by the 2010 rules that are posted which that is always what you need to go by in the end. As for the base Cayman the Stock Advisory Committee (SAC) actually just realized the other day that this car is not classed yet. They are working on deciding a class for it. Since it isn’t listed yet as soon as the SAC and the SEB decide on a class and post it in a FasTrack it will be effective immediately because it will be in a tech bulletin. For a regional event the region can decide where it can run though because of rule 1.1 which allows regions to class cars how they see fit. If the region feels the car should be run in AS or BS at a regional event it can do that. For a Divisional or National event it would be SS. I would venture a guess that you will see the base Cayman classed in a FasTrack by March or April.
Brian Harmer
SCCA Solo Technical Specialist
1-800-770-2055
Solo National Rules: http://www.scca.com/documents/Solo_R...Solo_Rules.pdf
FastTrack: http://www.scca.com/contentpage.aspx?content=78
03-22-2010, 10:28 PM
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this was in today's Fast Track for April SCCA.
TECH BULLETINS
1. Stock: The following new listings, effective immediately upon publication, are added to Appendix A:
Porsche Boxster and Cayman (non-S) (2009-‘10) AS
Audi TT-S (’10) BS
1. Stock: The following new listings, effective immediately upon publication, are added to Appendix A:
Porsche Boxster and Cayman (non-S) (2009-‘10) AS
Audi TT-S (’10) BS