New Turbo Exhaust - early Christmas Present
11-09-2012, 04:45 PM
#106
Drifting
11-09-2012, 05:16 PM
#107
Hi Rob,
This is a very valid point you raise and i look forward to your review.
Now, re the "weight" saving I think i may have mentioned earlier somewhere way too much emphasis get's placed on the weight savings in the course of certain vendors spruiking their AM systems.
Check post #12 http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/9...ss-thread.html
When you look at the facts, the stock system weighs in at 20.45 kilograms (not over 40 KG) vs Klines at the (claimed) 13.5kg. That's really only 8kg you know. I simply can't imagine how you'd ever feel 8kgs difference on a car like a TT.....and that's not forgetting that you don't have any heat shielding either....which represents both weight and cost...
Unless a system is made of titanium and is of equal substance structurally as the OEM system, any talk of weight savings on a TT exhaust starts ringing alarm bells for me.
Btw, as you said price was the most significant factor behind your purchasing decision, what actually was the price saving?
This is a very valid point you raise and i look forward to your review.
Now, re the "weight" saving I think i may have mentioned earlier somewhere way too much emphasis get's placed on the weight savings in the course of certain vendors spruiking their AM systems.
Check post #12 http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/9...ss-thread.html
When you look at the facts, the stock system weighs in at 20.45 kilograms (not over 40 KG) vs Klines at the (claimed) 13.5kg. That's really only 8kg you know. I simply can't imagine how you'd ever feel 8kgs difference on a car like a TT.....and that's not forgetting that you don't have any heat shielding either....which represents both weight and cost...
Unless a system is made of titanium and is of equal substance structurally as the OEM system, any talk of weight savings on a TT exhaust starts ringing alarm bells for me.
Btw, as you said price was the most significant factor behind your purchasing decision, what actually was the price saving?
I Know, it's like a belch in a thunderstorm. The weight saving is as you say utterly insignificant, I'm merely contrasting as many features as I can purely for conjecture.
Interested to hear the OEM system is 20kgs I thought 40kgs was hard to believe. The E/P was my first enquiry but it was more than double the price of the Kline. That coupled with the fact I actually liked the sound of the kline systems I heard, I switched my interest and after much debate committed to purchase.
It does look very good in the flesh as said and I am re assured by that. I've always had fast bikes and cars and seen lot's of aftermarket bits and pieces and this is well done for sure. Of course if it drones excessively or adversely affects how the car runs I will be devastated, that's where the E/P scores in that it is known to do what it says on the tin.
That said a well respected tuner in the Uk fitted one to a 996 turbo and was seemingly impressed by the dyno figures. I heard of another P specialist fitted one to an aircooled model and gave equally positive reports.
It's as I said, all things considered I've thrown my hat into the ring now and I honestly hope it works out. Everybody has different agendas and the Kline product ticked most boxes for me. I'm not trying to convince others by convincing myself, just happy to to participate in reviewing a much talked about feature of Porsche ownership for the general benefit and info of a forum that has been very helpful and educational for me when I needed help.
This forum is an asset to Porsche owners everywhere and I believe we can help one another by sharing experiences like this. For instance listening to you and Dennis I can tell you know your cars and that the E/P obviously works ; and If I was half as rich as you pair I might have written a cheque for a E/P myself!
11-09-2012, 06:08 PM
#108
I was sad, I went through an AWE, Milltek, EB werks and GMG before getting my Europipe. I miss the sound of the GMG and EBWerks at full throttle. I do love the civility of the EP. The Milltek wasn't much louder but didn't flow well, I showed a 25 whp gain between the Milltek and EB Werks. Crazy.
11-09-2012, 06:18 PM
#109
Three Wheelin'
Weight savings is not a moot point especially when you want to shave the pounds as it's rear biased. Secondly, build and quality is very important but who's going to see it when it's tucked up where no one will see it. Besides, it won't stay shiny for very long. What is important is the exhaust note and the performance it yields. That being said, regardless of how much hp the 997 t has weight savings will always equate to better performance. Looking forward to your unbiased review on the Kline.
11-09-2012, 06:49 PM
#110
Weight savings is not a moot point especially when you want to shave the pounds as it's rear biased. Secondly, build and quality is very important but who's going to see it when it's tucked up where no one will see it. Besides, it won't stay shiny for very long. What is important is the exhaust note and the performance it yields. That being said, regardless of how much hp the 997 t has weight savings will always equate to better performance. Looking forward to your unbiased review on the Kline.
Yes, but when you're talking about a few cheeseburgers of weight savings... not a huge difference.
(6.5kg is a lot of cheeseburgers, but I digress)
11-09-2012, 06:52 PM
#111
Three Wheelin'
11-09-2012, 07:31 PM
#112
I read somewhere the OEM was over 40kgs?? If that were the case then it would possibly be significant but 6 or 8 kgs is negligible. The sound was the biggest reason for wanting to change the system, if it makes more power it's a bonus!
Last edited by Glenmhor 1; 11-09-2012 at 08:21 PM. Reason: typo
11-09-2012, 09:04 PM
#113
Lol. I'm sure he's just teasing... Oh hang on. I think Tubi is the best too LOL!!
Actually looking at the Speedtech the Kline looks virtually identical in design and concept. When i first saw the Kline i thought i was a Speedtech take off.
11-09-2012, 09:16 PM
#114
11-09-2012, 09:52 PM
#115
Interested to hear the OEM system is 20kgs I thought 40kgs was hard to believe.
The E/P was my first enquiry but it was more than double the price of the Kline.
That coupled with the fact I actually liked the sound of the kline systems I heard, I switched my interest and after much debate committed to purchase.
It does look very good in the flesh as said and I am re assured by that. I've always had fast bikes and cars and seen lot's of aftermarket bits and pieces and this is well done for sure. Of course if it drones excessively or adversely affects how the car runs I will be devastated, that's where the E/P scores in that it is known to do what it says on the tin.
That said a well respected tuner in the Uk fitted one to a 996 turbo and was seemingly impressed by the dyno figures. I heard of another P specialist fitted one to an aircooled model and gave equally positive reports.
It's as I said, all things considered I've thrown my hat into the ring now and I honestly hope it works out. Everybody has different agendas and the Kline product ticked most boxes for me. I'm not trying to convince others by convincing myself, just happy to to participate in reviewing a much talked about feature of Porsche ownership for the general benefit and info of a forum that has been very helpful and educational for me when I needed help.
This forum is an asset to Porsche owners everywhere and I believe we can help one another by sharing experiences like this. For instance listening to you and Dennis I can tell you know your cars and that the E/P obviously works ; and If I was half as rich as you pair I might have written a cheque for a E/P myself!
And with Dennis and me...well ha! I think we are maybe not that rich but more so just like most of you guys here really....passionate and slowly getting poorer throwing money at our passions....
Last edited by speed21; 11-09-2012 at 11:14 PM.
11-09-2012, 10:32 PM
#116
I was sad, I went through an AWE, Milltek, EB werks and GMG before getting my Europipe. I miss the sound of the GMG and EBWerks at full throttle. I do love the civility of the EP. The Milltek wasn't much louder but didn't flow well, I showed a 25 whp gain between the Milltek and EB Werks. Crazy.
. Going by your EB clip it really did not sound in good shape....but, i will err on the side of caution and say I guess it must be an acquired taste eh?
I can imagine the wife and neighbours would have been sure glad to see the tail end of that one LOL!
11-09-2012, 10:58 PM
#117
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8 kilos on a 997tt IS a moot point. Lol, 99three you're a better man than me Gungadin if you can honestly feel 8 KG on the rear end of a 500whp 997tt.
Doesn't matter if you can't see it. This is not the kind of car anyone should be bolting rubbish on to.
Agree but that's because of the heat it's belting out....and, into the surrounding components...yikes. I think i mentioned the colours associated to metal temperatures? Yep, big fan of heat shielding when things are as close as what they are on a TT. When the stainless cat and muffler casings have straw and blue hues mottled all over....nuff said.
True but that's all eventually defeated if you and your occupants can't stand the resonant noise emitting from inside the car. So yes there are more things one ought to consider other than just purely sound and performance....well imo anyway....unless "driver" is a lonely ranger with a very tolerant set of ear drums....or good ear muffs..
Yeh but 8kgs less? C'mon. How much performance is that really going to add? With respect, talk something in weight terms that you can actually feel and then you might have a point worthy of mention. It's a bit like driving around with only 2 gallons of fuel in all the time in fear of filling your tank because of the weight in the fuel. Or, having a driver that weighs 85kg and one that weighs 95kg. Your kinda splitting hairs really. It'd be a different story if you were peddling a pushbike uphill over a distance with a backpack on....sure 8 kilos less in the backpack will make a worthwhile difference....but in a 500whp car.... hmmm.....not so sure...
Me too. C'mon OP let's get it on so we can hear about it!!
Secondly, build and quality is very important but who's going to see it when it's tucked up where no one will see it.
Besides, it won't stay shiny for very long.
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What is important is the exhaust note and the performance it yields.
That being said, regardless of how much hp the 997 t has weight savings will always equate to better performance.
Looking forward to your unbiased review on the Kline.
11-10-2012, 06:44 PM
#118
Guys, still trying to get time to upload photos of my new Kline system but there is a member on the UK911 forum that has recently purchased the same system all be it for a N/A car. Here is the linkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5faVJ45J7lg&feature=plcp
Hope this works... have a listen.
Rob
Hope this works... have a listen.
Rob
11-10-2012, 07:03 PM
#119
Three Wheelin'
Night and day difference for sure. Albeit that was an NA so I wouldn't go by that comparison. It is however a good representation of what the Kline system sounds like on a NA. If I had an NA I would instal a Kline.
11-10-2012, 09:36 PM
#120
Guys, still trying to get time to upload photos of my new Kline system but there is a member on the UK911 forum that has recently purchased the same system all be it for a N/A car. Here is the linkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5faVJ45J7lg&feature=plcp
Hope this works... have a listen.
Rob
Hope this works... have a listen.
Rob
